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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#70201: May 7th 2017 at 7:20:06 PM

There are people like that in Marvel too. Wolverine and Punisher weren't looked on too fondly at first but they were allowed to operate by the more clean cut heroes because they did help occasionally.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#70203: May 7th 2017 at 7:29:27 PM

So is Peter back to normal human levels?

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#70204: May 7th 2017 at 7:34:00 PM

Peter Parker is the worst keeper of secret identity, despite being one of the few Marvel heroes who still swear by it.

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#70205: May 7th 2017 at 7:39:56 PM

Ehh, that title actually goes to Daredevil.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#70206: May 7th 2017 at 7:40:16 PM

So is Peter back to normal human levels?
Uh no, there is nothing in that scene to indicate that. I mean, when has Spider-Man even been a normal human levels?

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#70208: May 7th 2017 at 7:41:36 PM

On the contrary, I wouldn't be against a One Punch Man type system. It has its problems for sure, but it isn't a SHRA.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#70209: May 7th 2017 at 7:41:59 PM

If you're talking about Guardians spoilers, could you take it to the Guardians thread? Just for a couple more weeks.

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#70210: May 7th 2017 at 7:42:18 PM

The Avengers have basically been a government approved if not operated team at times.

Its been fairly consistent that they have government clearances and some measure of governmental oversight. I think that Avengers even got paid a salary. Its not like Scarlet Witch has a side job.

But usually unless they have Gyrich directly hanging around, the Avengers are given a lot of leeway out of respect and trust.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#70213: May 7th 2017 at 7:44:24 PM

Their ID cards even act as badges in a lot of runs. There's a lot of scenes out there of various Avengers flashing their ID at a crime scene to gain access.

edited 7th May '17 7:46:09 PM by TobiasDrake

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#70214: May 7th 2017 at 7:45:34 PM

The Avengers also work very closely with SHIELD a lot of the time.

And Cap's Champion rank that lets him put together whatever team he wants is government granted.

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#70215: May 7th 2017 at 7:46:18 PM

Writers are fine with the Avengers having, like, recognized authority and stuff. They just get skeeved out when all the other trappings of law enforcement start coming out, like a recognized chain of command, making actual arrests rather than delivering criminals to the police, or those rare few Marvel supers who actually have secret IDs being expected to not.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#70216: May 7th 2017 at 7:46:59 PM

I agree that having some reg hero should be for the best, it weird how in MCU the avenger are state funded and in civil war they are pretty much and anti terrorist organization.

I dont know I just feel they waste a lot of potencial with that.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#70217: May 7th 2017 at 9:14:32 PM

So is Ross going to ever be seen again? Maybe become an Obstructive Bureaucrat that tells our heroes to turn in their badges after they blow up something?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#70218: May 7th 2017 at 9:26:39 PM

Thunderbolt Ross? I'd be surprised if he wasn't.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#70219: May 7th 2017 at 9:31:12 PM

Well, Civil War didn't really utilize him all that much. Everyone keeps telling Tony that Ross will turn on him but then nothing comes of it.

So I just wasn't sure if they had any real interest in the character or if they felt his purpose was done with after the movie and we'd never see him again.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#70220: May 7th 2017 at 9:36:06 PM

I felt like that was both an Easter egg for the fans who saw Incredible Hulk as well as a way of quietly reintroducing a character they had plans for in the future. Plans change, though, so maybe he'll be back, maybe not.

It all depends on whether or not that Thunderbolts adaptation/Spiritual Adaptation we keep batting around becomes a thing. Kinda kidding, kinda not.

Cross (Don’t ask)
#70221: May 7th 2017 at 9:59:14 PM

Everyone keeps telling Tony that Ross will turn on him but then nothing comes of it.

It's better that never happened.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#70222: May 8th 2017 at 12:29:16 AM

Actually, I think that should happen. And it should happen because Ross finds out that Tony knowingly and willingly violated the Sokovia Accords that he signed, and in doing so, swore to obey and enforce.

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#70223: May 8th 2017 at 7:34:03 AM

Stark ends the movie making a subtle power play on Ross, so I'm not expecting the latter to come out on top of him at any point. That whole, "Call me, I'll put you on hold, I like to watch the light flash," Brick Joke? Yeah, that was a direct act of overt insubordination for which Stark could rightly be court-martialled even without Ross finding out about the Soviet bunker.

But he won't be, because Ross needs Stark more than Stark needs Ross. Without Ross, the U.N. would just find someone else to be their liaison to the Avengers, but none of this happens without Stark.

If Tony Stark stands up and walks away from the table at any point, the U.N. Avengers are done. He knows that. Now Ross does too.

edited 8th May '17 7:37:49 AM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#70224: May 8th 2017 at 7:48:23 AM

Plus, if Team Tony abandons the Accords, what the hell is the UN supposed to do? Which was the rub from the get go in my eyes. If the Avengers had agreed on some sort of amended version of the Accords which was more in the middle (instead of Tony's "we negotiate that later" idea) and had presented that the UN, the UN would have been forced to either accept it or to relinquish any control over the Avengers.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#70225: May 8th 2017 at 7:53:04 AM

Well there's still actual hope for humanity here. I don't think anyone here can survive a nuke. So the UN does have options.


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