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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
As for the Punisher: There have been stories he kills thieves and there have been stories he killed children. But the children usually gets a lot of angst on his part and it's only when he has no other choice (i.e he's facing Child Soldiers).
"All you Fascists bound to lose."From the way the scene is set up in the trailer, I'm figuring the fight happens because Thor gets a little too ahead of himself celebrating Hulk's arrival and then says something offensive.
Like:
- "Finally, I can forget about these ridiculous games! I was almost worried - not that I wouldn't have won, of course."
- <cue Hulk Death Glare>
1. I know it was the Illuminati who sent Hulk into space in the comics. That's why I said "self-imposed exile in this verse" to contrast with the one where he was exiled by others. Professor Xavier is a jerk.
2. Two movies, two people who can mind control The Hulk. Maybe Banner learned his lesson even if you and Widow don't want to.
3. Yes, he only intended for it to control the world, not destroy it. He makes it very clear his vision of Ultron is a superpowered global police entity. This is not only unethical, it's hilariously stupid. Ultron is explicitly Tony's creation and this fact is brought up repeatedly. Scarlet Witch's line about Tony not being able to tell the difference between saving the world and destroying it is 100% spot-on. And before you say she's biased, Tony's friends actually agreed with her statement which is why they tried to stop him from making Vision.
4.That's an extremely bizarre interpretation of Frankenstein, a classic of the Romantic Movement which was in direct opposition to Enlightenment arrogance. Victor should not play god because he is not a god. The act of creating the monster was an act of extreme hubris and that's precisely what Tony was trying to do as well. He thought he could whip up a machine to fucking control affairs on a global scale.
Ultron is not unique in sci-fi. The story has been done to death. An AI that interprets its orders differently than intended is fairly common. Tony wanted a guardian for the Earth so he got Ultron, a being that identified human beings as a direct threat to the Earth.
5. It's nice to meet someone who likes Dawn. As a huge fan of BTVS Season 5, I'm glad we can agree on this much. Joyce was awesome too but...well, Season 5...The Body...never watching that episode ever again.
6. He Hulked Out precisely because she tried to kill him. That's kind of the point.It's no different than if she had shot Bruce in the head.
edited 6th May '17 5:23:55 PM by Nikkolas
And then it turns out that Vision was a good idea that helped save the world.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersBanner left because he doesn't like being the Hulk, and the one person he thought would understand that forced a change on him. He was already preparing to run when they were squatting in Barton's home. When he rescued Romanov, he noted that he wanted her to run with him like she'd offered to do earlier, and she responded by inducing the Hulk, the very reason he wanted to run in the first place.
So once the Hulk's business was done, he left without her. Of interest is that this scene also demonstrates how much control Banner has over his transformed state: it wasn't Puny Banner who piloted Ultron's Quinjet to the ends of the world and hung up on Romanov. It was Hulk Banner who made this conscious decision.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
That's a good point. Fair enough, I'll drop that. I just want The Hulk to be dangerous because that, to me, is the entire point of The Hulk.
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You cannot protect something without controlling it. No one is saying Tony literally wantsto destroy the planet but, well, I was just reading this comic the other day. I loved this line and it applies quite well here.
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If it wasn't clear, I loathe Tony Stark.I first read comics back in 2006, near the end of Civil War where Tony Stark was an authoritarian asshole. (a really bad one, which is the most offensive part) I don't think the movie version is all that dissimilar. (still waiting on clones to appear of his friends and murder other superheroes) Even still, I acknowledge "father of genocide" was hyperbole. Consider it the result of facepalming for 2 hours.
As for the rest, i saw all the debates in BVS. I know an argument with you will go on and on and on. I'm notsaying this to belittle you, I'm saying it because I simply have no interest in further debate on the topics in question. You actually completely skipped over my favorite part of my initial post.
What do you honestly think of the Civil War in Captain America: Civil War? Do youbenuinely believe it was in any way necessary? I contend that it was a needless subplot and the movie really boils down to Zemo, Stark and Rogers all have shitty pasts. I don't think it at any point really touched on the issues in the original comic.
edited 6th May '17 6:01:40 PM by Nikkolas
Secret Invasion was also his fault.
Because he gathered up a bunch of friends to go wave a big dick at the Skrulls after the Kree/Skrull War, got himself and all his friends captured, and helped the Skrulls learn undetectable shape-shifting and how to replicate powers.
His best intentions sure do frequently lead to disasters!
Forever liveblogging the AvengersAlso, I love Thor's backpedaling over his own misguided attempt at cheering up Banner.
- Thor: The gates of Hell are filled with the screams of his victims!
- Banner: (groans and buries his face in his hands)
- Thor: Oh, but...uh...not the screams of the dead, of course. No no, mainly whimpering and tales of sprained deltoids and...uh...gout.
Gout.
For those unaware, gout is basically a form of arthritis brought on by obesity.
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hulk is not a second personality, is pretty much banner in a stage of rage, it clear in that moment he was taking control.
"I believe Wanda says that line about Ultron, not Tony, and then the others apply it to Tony. And the line is more a commentary on the fact that Tony rushes in without thinking of the consequences, not that he literally wants to destroy the world."
what wanda said is pretty much Ultron and by extention Tony main flaw: he is a control freak who thing he can manipulate every variable to make things sure, , not able to distingish between right and wrong mean that Tony is very capable of shady thing to ensure the greater good.
edited 6th May '17 6:35:19 PM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
"the movie really boils down to Zemo, Stark and Rogers all have shitty pasts."
pretty much, the acountability thing is just a backdrop to bro angst fest between this three and the movie it kinda manipulative in the way it present the debate with thing like using Ross(a strawman) leaving Wanda working with Ultron and battle in south africa and Tony stark pretty much go all batman with "MY PARENTS ARE DEAD!" against bucky and Cap.
is a good emocional film but it dosent do a good job with the debate at all.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I agree with that assessment100%. They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot is not a criticism I use often but it defines this movie.
Also a lot of fan blather didn't help, trying to misrepresent the movie as intellectually compelling.
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That can't be right. New episodes of Dragon Ball and Samurai Jack are on tonight and the new Spider-Man movie is coming out soon. It's definitely 2002.
edited 6th May '17 6:54:52 PM by LordVatek
This song needs more love.It could be good, but I'm really not sure how I feel about Tobey Maguire as Peter.
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But the movie isn't about the civil war. That's just an objective fact. It's completely forgotten and goes absolutely nowhere.
It started off compelling, yeah. If fans think before Bucky is broken out of prison that there is moral ambiguity to everything, that's fine. But after that? What's there to argue or think about? I'm honestly asking.
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edited 6th May '17 10:30:09 AM by Nikkolas