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    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#70026: May 5th 2017 at 9:18:02 PM

Literally no one. Chris Evans least of all.

My various fanfics.
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#70027: May 5th 2017 at 9:18:10 PM

Really awkward timing on that. I'm not reading it, is there some sort of point to it? Like, does it feel like it's moving up to some kind of twist, or something?

edited 5th May '17 9:20:01 PM by Unsung

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#70028: May 5th 2017 at 9:20:12 PM

Ahem. Anyway

[up][up]Well he may be leaving the role after Infinity War. Shit. Now we know what the MCU reboot is.

edited 5th May '17 9:20:40 PM by comicwriter

Berrenta MOD Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#70029: May 5th 2017 at 9:20:18 PM

Okay, the argument needs to stop right now. Don't make us reach for the mod sticks.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#70030: May 5th 2017 at 9:20:39 PM

They're already doing a Secret Empire esque thing in Agents of SHIELD. Don't need a movie about it too

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#70031: May 5th 2017 at 9:23:22 PM

Which of the three?

Ego the Living Planet.

edited 5th May '17 9:23:34 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#70033: May 5th 2017 at 9:33:23 PM

...I'd actually like to see how Captain Hydra could be pulled off.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#70034: May 5th 2017 at 9:38:24 PM

[up][up][up] ...Shouldn't have looked. Though I guess kind of expected it.

Anyway, will we be putting Vol 2 spoilers in a separate thread? I only ask because I won't be able to see the movie for at least another week.

Oh God! Natural light!
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#70035: May 5th 2017 at 9:58:43 PM

Sorry. Maybe I should have made it more clear what I was responding to.

For what it's worth, you can already tell there's something very shady with him from his first scene, so it's a pretty obvious twist. Marvel movies are fun but they rarely subvert expectations.

edited 5th May '17 9:59:13 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#70036: May 5th 2017 at 10:05:47 PM

It's fine.

Really, it's my fault. I knew that there would probably be a big spoiler there, but I looked anyway.

Oh God! Natural light!
MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#70037: May 5th 2017 at 10:51:25 PM

saynotoHYDRACap

And the only reboot I'd be interested in is the Russos doing Age of Ultron their way.

(how do I make a hashtag? I tried it and got a list line of some kind)

edited 5th May '17 10:54:51 PM by MedusaStone

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#70038: May 5th 2017 at 10:52:03 PM

Even if they pull it off in a less tasteless way than the comics I fee like the amount of in-universe justifications they would need to believably turn Steve into Captain HYDRA would just not be worth it. Steve suddenly turning out to be a hitherto unknown Winter Soldier would have less Fridge Logic. Though Winter Soldier Steve already makes for a lot of good AU fic.

Put a "[=" and "=]" around whatever you want to be left unformatted.

edited 5th May '17 11:08:09 PM by AlleyOop

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#70039: May 5th 2017 at 10:58:04 PM

[up][up][=#PutYourTextHere=] and it should ignore the forum/wiki code.

[up][nja] Ahh, even better.

edited 5th May '17 10:58:43 PM by Unsung

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#70040: May 5th 2017 at 11:54:46 PM

So, my first two MCU movies in five years.

    There's Actually Some Positivity At the End 

Somebody linked me to this video, pretty much to shit on MOS Superman. However, even though this came out before AOU, it touches a bit on Stark and The Avengers and it really is a far more accurate criticism of them than it ever was of Clark.Especially in light of AOU which I just saw for the first time.

Tony Stark: "I know what everyone’s going to say, but they’re already saying it. We’re mad scientists. We’re monsters, buddy. You gotta own it."

Double down, never admit you're wrong.

That quote says all that needs to be said. Tony Stark is responsible for this entire movie. The Avengers, with no governing sanction that I saw, invaded a vaguely Eastern European country. Then Tony decided to use this technology he knows nothing about to make an AI to enforce global tyranny. I mean, peace. Global peace.

The entire movie is the fault of one man - our hero. Who then blows up a country because of what he did.

Was that supposed to count as atonement? Or maybe he was just finishing the job started with the Maximoff family.

The world would probably be safer if he had just kept selling black market weapons or whatever.

Speaking of "heroes", does Whedon just not understand the first thing about The Hulk? The flippant way "Nat" pushes Banner off that edge to summon The Hulk shows he really doesn't understand a thing. The Hulk is a tortured, bestial entity, representing all of Bruce Banner's trauma dating back to his childhood. It is not a "hero" like she says. It's an animal, a beast of destruction. Odd that Whedon would hate The Punisher but love The Hulk. If you're telling me the Hulk's rampages never killed an innocent, that's a load of fascist crap.

Oh and there's also that tiny detail of how five minutes ago Hulk nearly killed a bunch of civilians but now Widow just purposefully forced him out and sent him charging into an area full of civilians.

Now onto Civil War where Tony Stark, father of genocide, failed authoritarian, feels bad that one person got killed when he blew up a whole country to try and contain his own mess. Now, to contain his own mess yet again, he's doing something no less stupid than Ultron.

I've heard multiple people say "the Civil War movie is what the comic should have been." I honestly have no idea what these people are talking about because the movie and the comic aren't the same in any shape or form. This is not, at any point, an ideological conflict. It was Tony Stark's personal problems vs. Steve Roger's personal problems and featuring Zemo. When the two sides were fighting, we know Barnes is innocent and Zemo is on the loose so even then Tony's group is objectively in the wrong and some guy nobody cares about has to get hurt in order to even vaguely make Cap's side look questionable.

The Superhero Registration Act in comic Civil War focused on a really interesting topic. Maybe Mark Millar didn't do that topic justice but the comic was still ostensibly about superhero vigilantism, government regulations, freedom vs. security - ya know, the stuff anybody whoever read a comic should have been thinking about.

That's not what this movie was about. This movie was about a generic supervillain plot and for some bizarre reason they decided to shoehorn in a false conflict of philosophies because...I have no idea why. It adds zero to the movies. You could remove it and lose absolutely nothing.

And that's the real crime for me. This was not The Avengers where I kept looking at the time stamp, waiting for the torture to be over. I dare say I liked this movie. Some cool fight scenes I really like Bucky, the dialogue isn't so awful I want to tear off my ears... This was, in short, a better Avengers movie than either actual Avengers movie.

But it has an entirely useless veneer of intellectualism to it. It contributes nothing to a movie that is all about drama, tragedy and punching.

edited 5th May '17 11:56:02 PM by Nikkolas

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#70041: May 6th 2017 at 12:30:45 AM

Well that... uh... that sure is somethin'.

My various fanfics.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#70042: May 6th 2017 at 12:34:30 AM

Saw Guardians 2. It's possibly the most comic book thing I've ever seen on the big screen: crazy and campy, epic and silly, actiony and fun, stoking the excitement while tugging the heartstrings here and there. It fully embraces it's comic bookiness in a way other superhero movies, even many of Marvel's own other movies, rarely do, and it really works in the movie's favor.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#70043: May 6th 2017 at 12:40:22 AM

How would you compare it to the first GOTG? I hear it's more emotional this time around, and the more serious scenes were the strongest part of the first movie.

edited 6th May '17 12:41:12 AM by AlleyOop

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#70044: May 6th 2017 at 2:32:46 AM

[up][up][up][up]Why are you here?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#70045: May 6th 2017 at 3:09:37 AM

[up][up] It's more of the same and yet very different at its core. Honestly, it is hard to describe. A lot of people say it is not quite as good as the first one, but there is also a fair number of people who actually prefer it over the first one. I would say it is just as good in its own way.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#70046: May 6th 2017 at 4:17:36 AM

The Hulk is a tortured, bestial entity, representing all of Bruce Banner's trauma dating back to his childhood. It is not a "hero" like she says. It's an animal, a beast of destruction.
No, it isn't. For most of the time in the comics, the Hulk was shown to be pretty much child-like. He never attacked people unless he thought he was being attacked, he only wanted to be left alone, and when people were kind to him, he was kind to them, too. He wasn't Banner's "trauma," he was Banner's inner child — still full of rage, but he could be surprisingly calm at times, too. Of course, that was only one version of the Hulk — there were many, many versions of the Hulk, including Joe Fixit, the Professor, Doc Green, the Green Scar, and so on, because of Banner's unique personality, he developed a split personality of Hulks.

If you're telling me the Hulk's rampages never killed an innocent, that's a load of fascist crap.
How is it fascist that the Hulk never killed anyone? I don't understand this statement. It's improbable, yes, but it's not relating to oppressive government at all. Also, Whedon never stated that the Hulk never killed anyone — that's something from the comics that Greg Pak wrote about how Banner has unconscious control over what the Hulk does and therefore using his math genius to make sure that nothing the Hulk does actually kills anyone.

Oh and there's also that tiny detail of how five minutes ago Hulk nearly killed a bunch of civilians but now Widow just purposefully forced him out and sent him charging into an area full of civilians.
It's the Godzilla Threshold — when is it appropriate to unleash Godzilla in a populated area? When there's another Godzilla-level monster, i.e. Ultron.

Now onto Civil War where Tony Stark, father of genocide
Oh yeah, this isn't hyperbole at all. Sigh. It was at this point in the argument that I decided to ignore it, because it was not just wrong, but offensively wrong.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#70047: May 6th 2017 at 5:59:45 AM

[up][up][up][up]There are some pacing issues but the last act is spectacular.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#70048: May 6th 2017 at 7:02:41 AM

So, you know how there are rumblings that Sony might not keep its Spider-Man partnership with Marvel Studios going long term and go back to making Spider-Man movies exclusively a Sony production?

I've thought of a scenario where I actually wouldn't mind seeing that happen.

It's obvious that Sony wants their own superhero cinematic universe to compete with what Disney and Warner Bros. are doing, even though the only comic book superhero they have the film rights to is Spider-Man (hence all the talk of giving Spidey villains their own spinoff movies). But while he's the only comic book superhero they have the rights to, they also have the rights to a couple other franchises about characters who, if they're not technically superheroes, are pretty darn close.

Basically, I want to see them think outside the box regarding cinematic crossovers and give us a Spider-Man/James Bond/Ghostbusters team up.

edited 6th May '17 7:03:08 AM by RavenWilder

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#70049: May 6th 2017 at 7:18:39 AM

I'm not sure what James Bond brings to that particular party. Ghostbusters means we're dealing with the supernatural so his entire skillset is basically forfeit, leaving just a very talented combatant rendered woefully obsolete by Spider-Man.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#70050: May 6th 2017 at 7:22:06 AM

You could say the same thing about Batman or Black Widow.


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