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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
They're already doing a Secret Empire esque thing in Agents of SHIELD. Don't need a movie about it too
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...Shouldn't have looked. Though I guess kind of expected it.
Anyway, will we be putting Vol 2 spoilers in a separate thread? I only ask because I won't be able to see the movie for at least another week.
Oh God! Natural light!Sorry. Maybe I should have made it more clear what I was responding to.
For what it's worth, you can already tell there's something very shady with him from his first scene, so it's a pretty obvious twist. Marvel movies are fun but they rarely subvert expectations.
edited 5th May '17 9:59:13 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!It's fine.
Really, it's my fault. I knew that there would probably be a big spoiler there, but I looked anyway.
Oh God! Natural light!Even if they pull it off in a less tasteless way than the comics I fee like the amount of in-universe justifications they would need to believably turn Steve into Captain HYDRA would just not be worth it. Steve suddenly turning out to be a hitherto unknown Winter Soldier would have less Fridge Logic. Though Winter Soldier Steve already makes for a lot of good AU fic.
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edited 5th May '17 11:08:09 PM by AlleyOop
So, my first two MCU movies in five years.
Somebody linked me to this video, pretty much to shit on MOS Superman. However, even though this came out before AOU, it touches a bit on Stark and The Avengers and it really is a far more accurate criticism of them than it ever was of Clark.Especially in light of AOU which I just saw for the first time.
Tony Stark: "I know what everyone’s going to say, but they’re already saying it. We’re mad scientists. We’re monsters, buddy. You gotta own it."
Double down, never admit you're wrong.
That quote says all that needs to be said. Tony Stark is responsible for this entire movie. The Avengers, with no governing sanction that I saw, invaded a vaguely Eastern European country. Then Tony decided to use this technology he knows nothing about to make an AI to enforce global tyranny. I mean, peace. Global peace.
The entire movie is the fault of one man - our hero. Who then blows up a country because of what he did.
Was that supposed to count as atonement? Or maybe he was just finishing the job started with the Maximoff family.
The world would probably be safer if he had just kept selling black market weapons or whatever.
Speaking of "heroes", does Whedon just not understand the first thing about The Hulk? The flippant way "Nat" pushes Banner off that edge to summon The Hulk shows he really doesn't understand a thing. The Hulk is a tortured, bestial entity, representing all of Bruce Banner's trauma dating back to his childhood. It is not a "hero" like she says. It's an animal, a beast of destruction. Odd that Whedon would hate The Punisher but love The Hulk. If you're telling me the Hulk's rampages never killed an innocent, that's a load of fascist crap.
Oh and there's also that tiny detail of how five minutes ago Hulk nearly killed a bunch of civilians but now Widow just purposefully forced him out and sent him charging into an area full of civilians.
Now onto Civil War where Tony Stark, father of genocide, failed authoritarian, feels bad that one person got killed when he blew up a whole country to try and contain his own mess. Now, to contain his own mess yet again, he's doing something no less stupid than Ultron.
I've heard multiple people say "the Civil War movie is what the comic should have been." I honestly have no idea what these people are talking about because the movie and the comic aren't the same in any shape or form. This is not, at any point, an ideological conflict. It was Tony Stark's personal problems vs. Steve Roger's personal problems and featuring Zemo. When the two sides were fighting, we know Barnes is innocent and Zemo is on the loose so even then Tony's group is objectively in the wrong and some guy nobody cares about has to get hurt in order to even vaguely make Cap's side look questionable.
The Superhero Registration Act in comic Civil War focused on a really interesting topic. Maybe Mark Millar didn't do that topic justice but the comic was still ostensibly about superhero vigilantism, government regulations, freedom vs. security - ya know, the stuff anybody whoever read a comic should have been thinking about.
That's not what this movie was about. This movie was about a generic supervillain plot and for some bizarre reason they decided to shoehorn in a false conflict of philosophies because...I have no idea why. It adds zero to the movies. You could remove it and lose absolutely nothing.
And that's the real crime for me. This was not The Avengers where I kept looking at the time stamp, waiting for the torture to be over. I dare say I liked this movie. Some cool fight scenes I really like Bucky, the dialogue isn't so awful I want to tear off my ears... This was, in short, a better Avengers movie than either actual Avengers movie.
But it has an entirely useless veneer of intellectualism to it. It contributes nothing to a movie that is all about drama, tragedy and punching.
edited 5th May '17 11:56:02 PM by Nikkolas
Saw Guardians 2. It's possibly the most comic book thing I've ever seen on the big screen: crazy and campy, epic and silly, actiony and fun, stoking the excitement while tugging the heartstrings here and there. It fully embraces it's comic bookiness in a way other superhero movies, even many of Marvel's own other movies, rarely do, and it really works in the movie's favor.
So, you know how there are rumblings that Sony might not keep its Spider-Man partnership with Marvel Studios going long term and go back to making Spider-Man movies exclusively a Sony production?
I've thought of a scenario where I actually wouldn't mind seeing that happen.
It's obvious that Sony wants their own superhero cinematic universe to compete with what Disney and Warner Bros. are doing, even though the only comic book superhero they have the film rights to is Spider-Man (hence all the talk of giving Spidey villains their own spinoff movies). But while he's the only comic book superhero they have the rights to, they also have the rights to a couple other franchises about characters who, if they're not technically superheroes, are pretty darn close.
Basically, I want to see them think outside the box regarding cinematic crossovers and give us a Spider-Man/James Bond/Ghostbusters team up.
edited 6th May '17 7:03:08 AM by RavenWilder
I'm not sure what James Bond brings to that particular party. Ghostbusters means we're dealing with the supernatural so his entire skillset is basically forfeit, leaving just a very talented combatant rendered woefully obsolete by Spider-Man.
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