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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I thought of that, all the way back to when I first watched the movie. I even asked somebody during a recent MCU VS. DCEU argument if they ever had someone say Loki was in any way mind controlled or externally effected and that caused his characterization in Avengers. The answer I got was no.
He's not the only problem I had with the movie, anyway.
edited 4th May '17 8:37:45 AM by Nikkolas
Because that's a pretty weak Draco in Leather Pants excuse to whitewash Loki. Loki is a narcissistic sociopath. There is no way around this.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."We don't know. I don't think it's even been officially confirmed she's in Ragnarok (though it's very likely). There was a leaked casting call indicating Infinity War does have some scenes in Asgard though, so maybe she has a cameo there.
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That is your interpretation.
Whenever somebody tries to spin a character blatantly caring about another character as some sort of egotistical angle ("he doesn't actually care bout Odin, even though he desperately wants Odin's validation. This is only because he's actually that self-centered .It makes sense!") I just roll my eyes and move on. There's no point in arguing it because you are determined to misrepresent what he says or does and twist it. He is shown to care...which is why he doesn't care.
I literally just had to deal with this exact same argument about Man of Steel Superman.
Clearly everybody is a psychopath, The Joker was right all along.
edited 4th May '17 8:49:34 AM by Nikkolas
Loki's behavior in Avengers suggested to me way back when that he's under duress. He's not being mind-controlled or anything, but I feel like it's indicated well enough that he's not as in control of things as he claims.
- He accepts physical abuse from his master without resistance or even verbal protest.
- His proclamations that he will somehow rule Earth through all of this is repeatedly called out by other characters as asinine and nonsensical.
- He's more violent and sadistic than he's ever been, behaving not unlike a person desperate to reclaim a feeling of power and control that's been taken from them.
I never bought into the theory that Loki was being controlled by the Scepter, but his behavior through the film always suggested to me that before he'd been sent to Earth, Thanos took the time to break him and bring him under control the hard way.
Age Of Ultron establishing that the scepter had a living AI and was capable of continuing the work without Loki, however, made the mind control theory more palpable.
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It's going to be pretty difficult to have any sort of debate when your take on dissenting opinion is eyerolling and labeling me as a distorter of facts.
I don't really see how Loki can be interpreted to truly "care" for Odin. He spends the entirety of the Dark World detesting him and it's strongly implied he assassinates him at the end though Ragnarok may reveal something else to that.
edited 4th May '17 8:56:08 AM by Gaon
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Mind you, debating Loki's character arc is a pretty mild thing. Hasn't happened all that often in this thread and has never turned hostile. Our true vices are:
- The Mandarin.
- Loki being overexposed.
- Iron Fist.
- If Wanda deserves redemption.
- Whether Civil War's debate was a crock of shit or not.
- Tony Stark being overexposed.
And sometimes if the MCU really has magic or if it's all just science.
edited 4th May '17 8:59:29 AM by Gaon
"All you Fascists bound to lose."That's silly. The Hulk regularly throws down with Thor. Loki's clever, but he's not a powerhouse.
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I did sound rude/hostile there.. I'm sorry. But if you viewed Loki as a monster waiting to happen, I don't see how there can even be an argument. We disagree on first principles. At that point, The Avengers is irrelevant.
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Well The Avengers was the last MCU film I saw so I guess I might as well be in 2012 or 2013.
My roommate at the time did watch Iron Man 3 when it first came out but I didn't pay attention because Tony Stark offends my senses.
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My post in here was initially about Whedon and the interview I heard about from him.
Those are actions. Gaeon and I have fundamentally different understandings of the why behind those actions.
The why is always more important than the what when you are assessing a character's...uh, character.
edited 4th May '17 9:21:24 AM by Nikkolas

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