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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#69626: May 1st 2017 at 4:08:51 PM

Maybe he was really far and the bullets where to close by that point? Also the fact that he was tired by all the fighting and that bullet injury he recieved earlier only give him enough energy to save hawkeye and the kid and not enough to dodge the bullets.

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#69627: May 1st 2017 at 5:00:57 PM

OK, so, I might have time now to finish up the last two episodes of Luke Cage so I can finally give my thoughts on the series.

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#69628: May 1st 2017 at 10:53:11 PM

[up]You're in luck, it finally has a fight scene. [lol]

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#69629: May 1st 2017 at 10:56:24 PM

Oh yeah, I had forgotten that little bit of stupidity. Nuclear weapons can't be hacked. Period. They're airgapped, locked in bunkers, and intentionally decades out of date. Trying to hack a nuke is only slightly more realistic than trying to hack a rock. It's just not going to work. Now, if the plot was that Ultron was looking for nuclear missile silos so he could throw drones at them, then that would be interesting. Supergirl did something like that, and it ended with an internet villain hiding in a general's cell phone when he went to visit a silo. But as it is, it's just wrong. Nukes don't work that way, and that's all there is to it.

Does anybody else find it hilarious that Supergirl got nukes right while Arrow and Ultron just waved around a magic wand and called it hacking? [lol] [tup]

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#69630: May 2nd 2017 at 1:43:47 AM

Considering how many people criticized Ultron's plan as stupid because "he could simply use nukes" even though the movie actually does explain that bit, I think it is a good thing that they clarified that the nukes are off-limits.

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#69631: May 2nd 2017 at 2:51:53 AM

It also doesn't help that Ultron didn't feel like much of a threat throughout the film.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#69632: May 2nd 2017 at 3:08:54 AM

[up] Honestly, that is the one problem I have with him. Wanda and Pietro do all the heavy lifting for him while he is mostly busy snatching stuff and then running away with it...and sometimes not even WITH the stuff he wanted to snatch.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#69633: May 2nd 2017 at 6:57:27 AM

[up] I mean, that makes him smart in my eyes — he knows he's not a physical match for the Avengers, so he relies on others to hold them back, to tear them apart psychically and so on. Once Wanda and Pietro leave, he really has no one left to help him, so his plan is basically "Fuck everything."

I've seen people complaining and complaining about how the Avengers stop him, but for me, this is one of the good things about Ultron — he's not one of those villains who knows everything, he doesn't have a plan for every contingency. Those villains are not just unrealistic, they can take you out of the story completely — the mwahahaha Joker-esque "My ridiculously circuitous plan is three-fifths complete!" type villain is just silly. Ultron just does stuff, often without a plan. Again, pretty similarly to Tony Stark.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#69634: May 2nd 2017 at 7:03:19 AM

[up][up][up]Exactly. With another character it may have worked but Ultron is someone who should have been an actual threat. Making him a joke undermined the whole movie.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#69635: May 2nd 2017 at 7:38:18 AM

I always interpreted Quicksilver's death as him having to run into the bullets in order to reach Hawkeye and the kid, and he moved them behind the car while he was wounded.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#69636: May 2nd 2017 at 7:46:54 AM

Ultron being such a bumbling ninny almost has me wishing they could use the obvious out of a spare body in stasis and do the character right this time.

edited 2nd May '17 7:47:11 AM by comicwriter

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#69637: May 2nd 2017 at 7:49:48 AM

I've seen people complaining and complaining about how the Avengers stop him, but for me, this is one of the good things about Ultron — he's not one of those villains who knows everything, he doesn't have a plan for every contingency. Those villains are not just unrealistic, they can take you out of the story completely — the mwahahaha Joker-esque "My ridiculously circuitous plan is three-fifths complete!" type villain is just silly.

There's a pretty huge middle ground between that type of villain and what we got from Ao U

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#69638: May 2nd 2017 at 8:00:42 AM

[up][up] Watch Agents of Shield and you get a better Ultron arc.

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#69639: May 2nd 2017 at 8:42:05 AM

I'm not really sure what kinda Ultron I wanted

His comic self just tends to spam the win button what with adamantium body and encephalo-ray and always having more and more secret commands hidden in Vision

He's an unstoppable robot menace until suddenly he isn't because they put bible in his head or Wanda waves her arms or he gets a bunch of adamantium dumped on him

The best thing about comic Ultron is that instead of being the cold logical robot type, he is a screeching pissbaby that rails about humanity being flawed while possessing all those flaws himself and half of his evil plans amount to building someone that will talk to him and they all inevitably leave him anyway

The EMH Ultron arc was well built up to but it was missing that element of hyperbolically ridiculous robot

Movie Ultron was a lot lacking and could have been done better but I can at least appreciate its take on Ultron's personality

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#69640: May 2nd 2017 at 8:48:53 AM

Honestly I am fine wtih his plan being a tad convoluted and weird in Ao U. They just needed to make him physically stronger.

To quote Elijah Price there are two types of archvillains: the cerebral one who manipulates the heroes with his machinations and the physical villain who breaks the hero with his fists. Loki was the first, Ultron should have been the second, while Thanos would merge both categories into a single unholy mess.

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#69641: May 2nd 2017 at 8:49:01 AM

I mean, there are other ways that someone connected to the internet can f*ck with people. "Hack nukes" is the lazy way to go about it.

  • Fury: So, the good news is that Ultron is defeated. The bad news is that the Avengers are facing bankruptcy. Apparently, every cent in Tony's bank account's been put into pogs.
  • Steve: Pogs.
  • Fury: Yep. Ultron hacked Tony's personal information, then used all of his money to buy custom decorative pogs with his own face and the words, "HA HA ULTRON RULES YOU".
  • Tony: Joke's on him. I have fraud protection.

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#69642: May 2nd 2017 at 9:04:28 AM

At least he didn't do anything like download ten terabytes of transformers erotica onto all of Tony's computers

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#69643: May 2nd 2017 at 9:52:33 AM

[up][up] They did touch on that; Ultron stole billions from Tony to pay Claw. Which of course begs the question of why he didn't just steal everything.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#69644: May 2nd 2017 at 10:05:31 AM

Hell, imagine if it were Ultron who revealed Barnes was the one who killed the Starks.

The EMH Ultron arc was well built up to but it was missing that element of hyperbolically ridiculous robot

Honest question, why is this a bad thing?

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#69645: May 2nd 2017 at 10:07:20 AM

Because Ultron being a emotional trainwreck of a metallic toddler with anger issues and delusions of grandeur is a lot more creative than yet another Straw Vulcan robot.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#69646: May 2nd 2017 at 10:08:40 AM

At least the Straw Vulcan version was competent and believable as a threat.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#69647: May 2nd 2017 at 10:10:16 AM

Nothing says you can't be both. Comics-Ultron is more or less what I described and still a credible threat.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#69648: May 2nd 2017 at 10:13:06 AM

There's a happy medium between the two. Comic Ultron is often written with a personality without the writers needing to make him an incompetent jokester who keeps getting his ass handed to him.

An Ultron who isn't boring yet is still an actual threat can be done.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#69649: May 2nd 2017 at 10:15:10 AM

Ultron's personality isn't a problem at all in Ao U, if you ask me. Keep the character the exact same but give him a Vibranium body or somesuch and have him provide a physical match for the Avengers and you're good to go.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#69650: May 2nd 2017 at 10:16:30 AM

Ultron's personality is fantastic in AOU.


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