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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
A dark thing to note is that the holes we see in Quicksilver seem to have gone all the way through. Which means that Clint shielding the kids with his body would have been a futile gesture anyway.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I remember Whedon said something (and I wish I remembered the article I saw this in) where he talked about how he filmed a scene of Quicksilver at the end with the new Avengers lineup with a new outfit on him. Or something like that, I might be remembering wrong.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?Grain of salt since toys are hit or miss, but it looks like the Fenris wolf
is indeed in Ragnarok as was rumored a while back. Possible spoilers I guess.
edited 1st May '17 8:59:07 AM by comicwriter
I definitely remember reading him say he didn't think Marvel would actually let him do it since getting permission to kill a superhero in a franchise like this has a lot of considerations that need to be taken into account.
Oh yeah, I had forgotten that little bit of stupidity. Nuclear weapons can't be hacked. Period. They're airgapped, locked in bunkers, and intentionally decades out of date. Trying to hack a nuke is only slightly more realistic than trying to hack a rock. It's just not going to work.
Now, if the plot was that Ultron was looking for nuclear missile silos so he could throw drones at them, then that would be interesting. Supergirl (2015) did something like that, and it ended with an internet villain hiding in a general's cell phone when he went to visit a silo. But as it is, it's just wrong. Nukes don't work that way, and that's all there is to it.
Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.Even setting that aside, here's the thing about JARVIS stopping Ultron from hacking the nukes: it contributes noting to the rising tension of the story because it exists offscreen. Show, Don't Tell.
Things that happen offscreen do very little to accelerate the tension of the story.Things that don't happen offscreen do even less. That's what this amounted to: J.A.R.V.I.S. was successfully preventing offscreen events from happening.
Not only was he utterly ineffectual in direct combat, he also couldn't even beat a primitive human AI in a digital fistfight despite the movie going out of its way to talk up how much more super-advanced the AI he was based on is.
edited 1st May '17 1:08:14 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I think the bit about nuclear launch codes was less about presenting a real threat of Ultron actually launching nukes and more about just answering the question "why doesn't Ultron just nuke 'em?" before it can be asked.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Nukes are safe from computers because they are more likely to be secured by bike locks set to 0000 instead.
Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Also that the software the launch systems run on is so horrifically outdated that there's no way Ultron is backwards compatible with it.
Sidenote: I believe there has been some recent efforts to update it over the past few years, but at least until then they were still using floppy disks to store data. Not the 1.44 MB floppies that are encased in plastic, the older real floppy disks.
edited 1st May '17 2:07:18 PM by Falrinn
In fairness, this is a very comic book mistake to make. The EMH cartoon made the same mistake and had all the world's nukes able to be launched and disabled from the SHIELD helicarrier.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI figure "Someone hacks the nukes through the internet" is such a common stock plot because of the popularity of WarGames. Even then I'm sure how the boy hacked into the missile systems was incredibly inaccurate, right?
edited 1st May '17 2:18:57 PM by comicwriter
I'm fine with writing it off as a comic book thing because there's also flying robots and a giant rage monster, as well as a fictional hub for the entire Internet in the film.
I am, however, less okay with, as Tobias said, the entire Ultron v. Hacker Jarvis subplot being all offscreen. It is pretty weird that something as big as nuclear extinction is just a background topic of discussion in the film.
About Quicksilver's death:
I think it's fairly obvious that he moved the car behind Hawkeye and the kid. The car was also riddled with bullets on one side.
Which begs the question of why didn't he drove them out of the way. I mean, Quicksilver's speed is really all over the place. In one scene he's fast enough to see and react to a bullet going upwards and not be affected by gravity, at another he's not able to save Hawkeye without dying, and at yet another (and the most impressive in my opinion) is that he's shown to be able to snatch a bad guy's gun while he's shooting at him, remove the cartridge, then remove every single bullet from the cartridge and then line them up on the desk in a very neat line, with the gun and the cartridge beside them, and then move back in front of the bad guy in a fraction of a second. A fraction of a second.
Don't tell me that a speedster that can do that cannot dodge a rain of bullets, or at least shove himself and to other people out of harm's way, because I'd call bullshit on that one.
As I've said multiple times, Age of Ultron was reeeaally lazy with it's writing.
edited 1st May '17 3:14:12 PM by ExplosiveLion
That machine gun was riddling the entire ground leading up to them with bullets, car included.
The way he's standing after the fact, his arms are pointing more at Hawkeye and the kid rather than the car, or so it appears to me. And I just don't know why you'd try and move a car instead of people— you've got ne option that's obviously a lot lighter and easier to move.
edited 1st May '17 3:46:22 PM by Unsung
Establishing the limitations of a character and at what point something goes from survivable to livable is difficult enough without superpowers. As brought up, whether or not he survived was left in question while filming, limiting exactly what they could do with the character's death. As a result it's a very telegraphed and staged heroic moment for the character, and promptly doesn't really matter with the rest of the story. It probably would have panned out better in one of two ways. First is give him a more grandiose death, something like Boromir where he continues to fight well after being fatally injured. Second is a more subdued death, he is fighting and acting heroic in general and is killed in a more random event rather than specifically rescuing Hawkeye.

I don't know, I still see it as him carrying them to safety. We actually see Quicksilver's speed whoosh pass through Clint and the kid, implying that he doesn't just shove but physically moves them behind the car.
If he moved the car, there would be no speed whoosh through Clint. If he just pushed them, Clint couldn't remain bunkered down in the exact same position.
This is the biggest problem with the scene. It's so unclear exactly what is happening that there are multiple different interpretations, each with holes as big as the others.
edited 1st May '17 6:02:34 AM by TobiasDrake
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