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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#69551: Apr 30th 2017 at 6:17:02 PM

Quicksilver is a gun. Logically, he should be able to throw bullets faster than they're propelled by a modern firearm.

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#69552: Apr 30th 2017 at 6:34:36 PM

EDIT: Wait, no, stupid joke, never mind

edited 30th Apr '17 6:35:00 PM by AdricDePsycho

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#69553: Apr 30th 2017 at 6:36:43 PM

[up][up] Ultimates 3 says different.

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#69554: Apr 30th 2017 at 6:40:12 PM

That was a plot bullet.

Nobody can move faster than plot.

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#69555: Apr 30th 2017 at 6:58:18 PM

The general idea in Age of Ultron was that once an act was occurring, Quicksilver couldn't change physics in his favor. Hence why he wasn't able to escape the glass falling out from under him. It wasn't held to very tightly, in truth the biggest issue was somehow moving a car fast enough to save Hawkeye. If he's capable of that, snagging two people away from harm should have been the simple solution.

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#69556: Apr 30th 2017 at 7:03:36 PM

It could've at least been a truly absurd amount of bullets. I just want it to feel like an accomplishment, something only a speedster could've pulled off. Anyone might have shielded those people, if they were close enough.

edited 30th Apr '17 7:11:22 PM by Unsung

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#69557: Apr 30th 2017 at 7:20:56 PM

He didn't shield those people. He moved them away from the bullets...but wasn't quite fast enough to move himself away from the bullets at the same time. So, basically, he used his speed to save them, but not himself.

It's actually pretty similar to what happened to Yo-Yo in the AOS the third season finale — she was fast enough to catch nearly all of the bullets, but one of them went through and hit her. Luckily, it was in the side and they were able to get her medical attention, so she lived. (I mean, they had to cauterize the wound with a blowtorch, but still.)

edited 30th Apr '17 7:22:20 PM by alliterator

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#69558: Apr 30th 2017 at 7:43:06 PM

Logically, he should be able to throw bullets faster than they're propelled by a modern firearm.

That would be a neat tactic, though I presume a bullet thrown at superspeed still wouldn't be very effective because it wouldn't be propelled straight (hence why rifles have barrels to stabilize the projectile). Might be deadly if he threw around slingstones, though.

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#69559: Apr 30th 2017 at 8:16:52 PM

[up][up][up]His death was pretty stupid all around. Though I never have to hear "You didn't see that coming?" again, so it might be a draw.

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#69560: Apr 30th 2017 at 8:22:34 PM

Quicksilver: The only Speedster slower than a speeding bullet.

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#69561: Apr 30th 2017 at 8:25:55 PM

I know that's a joke, but funny enough there was a lengthy period in the 80's where they significantly slowed down the Flash so that the writers would actually be able to come up with challenges for him on a consistent basis.

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#69562: Apr 30th 2017 at 8:28:18 PM

Oooh, ooh, I've got an epitaph!

Quicksilver: He wasn't so quick.

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#69563: Apr 30th 2017 at 8:29:11 PM

Should have been Quickvibranium.

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#69564: Apr 30th 2017 at 8:34:42 PM

I'm actually not sure how Pietro died. As noted, there's no way he moved the car to shield Hawkeye. That means he had to have moved Hawkeye and the kid. But if he moved them, then there's no reason he couldn't have just stayed behind cover with them. It's like he put them into cover and then dashed away to get shot.

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#69565: Apr 30th 2017 at 8:37:07 PM

I thought he shoved them out of the way or something.

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#69566: Apr 30th 2017 at 8:38:08 PM

Probably got shot while shoving.

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#69567: Apr 30th 2017 at 8:40:11 PM

They would have noticed being shoved and not been able to remain perfectly in the exact same position. There would be horizontal momentum to deal with.

edited 30th Apr '17 8:40:31 PM by TobiasDrake

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#69568: Apr 30th 2017 at 8:41:13 PM

Bocaj's correct. The way the scene is shot and played out implies he shoved Hawkeye and the kids out of the way but during the process he was riddled with bullets. Which is why he stops dead on his tracks a few inches away from cover.

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#69569: Apr 30th 2017 at 8:41:14 PM

The takeaway here is that whatever the pattern of events in the movie it was too unclear.

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#69570: Apr 30th 2017 at 8:41:15 PM

Joss Whedon shot him. With the plot-gun,

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#69571: Apr 30th 2017 at 8:41:47 PM

Damn those plot bullets

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#69572: Apr 30th 2017 at 8:42:30 PM

Plot bullets! They were behind the murder of J.F.K!

And Abraham Lincoln!

And Robert Downey Jr.!

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#69573: Apr 30th 2017 at 8:43:22 PM

"I've written a movie where the villain is not in any way a threat and victory is assured. We've still got twenty minutes left. You have to die."

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#69574: Apr 30th 2017 at 8:44:42 PM

...I still want to see the Thunderbolts someday.

Wait, shit, is that the script?

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#69575: Apr 30th 2017 at 8:49:24 PM

[up][up]The tail end of the movie is the perfect time to finally start trying to make people buy your villain as menacing.


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