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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#69526: Apr 30th 2017 at 1:13:52 PM

That's true but you can't make everyone a flying brick. One thing that bugs me about the Flash show is that he never just runs in and cuffs the villain before they even realize he's arrived. He always gives them a chance to realize he's there and react accordingly.

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#69527: Apr 30th 2017 at 1:15:19 PM

There are ways around that. Speedsters can suck fliers down to the ground by running so fast it creates a tornado and they've long cracked the "hurting an invulnerable person" formula with shit like hitting someone a thousand times in an instant so that they're struck by the combined force of a thousand punches.

Substituting the ability to hit something multiple times in the blink of an eye for super strength has long been accepted for speedsters.

edited 30th Apr '17 1:16:32 PM by TobiasDrake

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#69528: Apr 30th 2017 at 1:18:06 PM

Or hitting someone really damn fast which is what Flash has done a few times.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#69529: Apr 30th 2017 at 1:18:31 PM

Another possibility is to simply shut off the lights, or release some vision obscuring smoke. Superspeed becomes significantly less useful if you can't see where you're going.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#69532: Apr 30th 2017 at 1:59:21 PM

Point it, it is kind of an ongoing storytelling problem. It works with Yoyo because her powers are limited (she is always forced to go back to where she started and she can only run between two heart beats), plus, she isn't always around. Quicksilver would have been an ongoing plot hole.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#69533: Apr 30th 2017 at 2:09:34 PM

Avengers Quicksilver didn't seem overpowered to me, no more than Iron Man or Hulk. If Captain America and Hawkeye both got the upper hand on him, then he's fairly average stat-wise.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#69534: Apr 30th 2017 at 2:17:39 PM

Avengers Quicksilver seemed to have a top speed of "only" several hundred miles per hour. It's better than X-Men Quicksilver who seems to move at half the speed of light.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#69535: Apr 30th 2017 at 2:18:12 PM

I don't think we're going to get official confirmation, but I'd go along with the idea that AOU killed off Quicksilver specifically so that there wouldn't be two instances of the character running around (sorry) in prominent franchises at the same time.

I do wish they'd found a more awesome way for Pietro to go out, though. That whole scene is pretty predictable (for Whedon) and anticlimactic. He could've at least been killed by Ultron in a proper battle, instead of getting unceremoniously gunned down.

Alternatively, what if Pietro stayed a villain? Too late now, but that could've solved a few different problems.

edited 30th Apr '17 2:33:15 PM by Unsung

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#69536: Apr 30th 2017 at 2:31:23 PM

Or. He could've been upset enough with Wanda that he went off on his own after the battle (I got the impression the whole plan was her idea) and we wouldn't see him again until Civil War... when he turned up on Team Stark.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#69537: Apr 30th 2017 at 4:29:11 PM

Limiting someone with super speed to just super speed is probably the best way to keep them manageable. All those other powers Tobais last page mentioned don't have to be used in your story after all. Second thing to do is limit their top speed, but that's fairly obvious.

But I also prefer the idea that Quicksilver died to keep 2 different version of the characters from being in competing films.

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#69538: Apr 30th 2017 at 5:08:44 PM

Ao U Quicksilver seemed to also have the Logical Weakness of having to stop running every now and then to look at where the Hell he's going.

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#69539: Apr 30th 2017 at 5:10:51 PM

Also trying to grab Mjolnir.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#69540: Apr 30th 2017 at 5:11:44 PM

True, he didn't necessarily seem to have super-reaction time. Not sure if he could think or see any faster than normal.

edited 30th Apr '17 5:12:07 PM by Unsung

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#69541: Apr 30th 2017 at 5:12:20 PM

One of my favorite Super-Speed weaknesses was in an anime called Darker than Black. The super fast guy tries to run in a rainstorm and gets shredded by the rain for it.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#69542: Apr 30th 2017 at 5:13:24 PM

Darker Than Black is awesome.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#69545: Apr 30th 2017 at 5:25:49 PM

Wait, how would the rain kill him; wouldn't he just plow through the droplets due to the force, speed, and mass he's hitting them with?

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#69546: Apr 30th 2017 at 5:26:09 PM

We see that Pietro has super-reaction time when he grabs Mjolnir. He has time to notice the hammer passing him, consider it, and then reach out and grab it.

His limitation there was poor judgment skills. tongue

edited 30th Apr '17 5:26:49 PM by TobiasDrake

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#69547: Apr 30th 2017 at 5:27:06 PM

[up][up]Physics. When you're moving faster than a bullet, anything bullet-sized you run into might as well be one. He basically ran into a rainstorm of bullets.

edited 30th Apr '17 5:27:17 PM by VeryMelon

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#69548: Apr 30th 2017 at 5:32:09 PM

Newton's third law.

At high enough speed it doesn't even need to be rain. The air itself will tear you to shreds.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#69549: Apr 30th 2017 at 5:52:18 PM

Case in point during a fight with Wolverine II, Ultimate Quicksilver beats him by just holding onto him and running fast. Quicksilver has Required Secondary Powers that keep him from being hurt, while Wolverine gets shredded by the super fast wind.

edited 30th Apr '17 5:53:03 PM by comicwriter

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#69550: Apr 30th 2017 at 6:07:40 PM

He must also have some measure of super-strength to be able to punch through Ultron bots. Even Black Widow had to use shock batons.

If Quicksilver had a gun, Hawkeye and Cap would be dead the first times he surprised them.

edited 30th Apr '17 6:08:09 PM by Tuckerscreator


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