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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
His entire writing style consists of intentionally being shocking and offensive as possible because of the sensationalism it brings about. That's why one of the main characters in Kick-Ass is a small child who calls people cunts and graphically slices bad guys in half with katana swords.
edited 27th Apr '17 11:15:16 AM by comicwriter
What, you mean the 90's? Because the Ultimate U was after that.
This. Like, Captain America's "Letter on my forehead doesn't stand for France" bit when told to surrender was so awful that his 616 writer actually felt the need to compose a retort, having Captain America browbeat another character for calling the French cowards.
Hulk ripping apart alien warships while screaming, "HULK STRAIGHT!!!" was just obnoxious.
But the point that got Hulk up there? Captain America catching his attention in the middle of a rampage and going, "Hulk! Do you see those ships up there? Well, I've been talking to their pilots and do you know what they said about you?!" That moment, in a vacuum, is glorious.
edited 27th Apr '17 11:43:54 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.The difference is Ultimate Black Widow never stopped being a villain. Main Black Widow did.
Doesn't make her less of a villain.
That sounds like something an edgy twelve year old would write.
This song needs more love.I'll admit, I laughed upon reading that just now, if only because it's really stupid.
Oh God! Natural light!
Reminds me of that time a rainbow once made Bruce hulk out.
No, no, that actually happened. I've had five or six hours of sleep for the past week so I can assure you that this wasn't a hallucination brought on by too many Coca-Colas.
Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.I remember that.
But the only version I could find has been vandalized by snarky commentary.
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What exactly are you arguing here? Nobody's saying she isn't. We're saying it fit with his intendended goal of trying to do a supposedly more "realistic" take on the Avengers.
That period did not even remotely end in the 90's (and it arguably began in the 80's). The 90's is just where it got to its most ridiculous. Some would argue the attempts at injecting a more humorous or optimistic spin on the universe to act as a counterweight was a relatively recent development. The concept of trying to do serious deconstructions of classic comic heroes was still very much in swing in the early 2000's.
edited 27th Apr '17 1:34:58 PM by comicwriter
He's not actually a bad writer, when he manages to rein in his tendency toward shock value. I don't like his overall body of work as much as Garth Ennis, but between the two them and Warren Ellis (by far my favourite of the three, though I loved Preacher), you've kind of got the best and worst tendencies of the whole deconstructionist superhero comics movement in a nutshell.
edited 27th Apr '17 5:32:14 PM by Unsung
Ellis is the best, simply because he wrote Nextwave: Agents of HATE. "FIN FANG FOOM PUT YOU IN HIS PANTS."
Also, his Take That! against Miller and Ultimate Cap was awesome: "Victim? VICTIM!? DO YOU THINK THIS € ON MY CHEST STANDS FOR AMERICA!?"
edited 27th Apr '17 2:29:26 PM by alliterator
Ennis tends to hate superheroes, except, ironically, Superman, whom he loves. Ennis's take on Superman in his Hitman issue "Of Thee I Sing" is one of the best. And his Hitman/JLA issue includes one of the greatest monologues from Superman ever:
edited 27th Apr '17 4:24:02 PM by alliterator
RE the idea of a Deliberate Values Dissonance Cap, I had been thinking at one point how Daniel Sousa of Agent Carter is kind of deliberately pretty close to Steve sans powers and like Steve (and his creators) he's an intellectual from an "Ethnic American" background, and he's shown to be a bit of a hipster, liking to listen to music in "colored joints" and immediately wearing Hawaiian shirts non-stop after moving to Los Angeles. In terms of the former, IIRC that lines up with Steve's music preferences as shown in Winter Soldier, so maybe the connection is closer than it appears on that score.
And with Sousa as a model, I'd imagine that this kind of Cap would probably be accidentally insulting on occasion due to having a Positive Discrimination/ You Are a Credit to Your Race attitude toward women and/or minorities- because this is a person who was a liberal intellectual in the 1940's. But yeah, there's no way he'd be a jingoistic asshole. Because that's the kind of personality they'd highly dislike
That being said, IIRC there was a line where Ultimate!Cap comments on being unintelligent (mentally disabled?) prior to getting the super-soldier serum, which underscores the extent to which Millar was going for a very different take on Steve.
edited 27th Apr '17 4:45:46 PM by Hodor2
The thing about Cap is other writers had already made that same basic point with 50's Cap and John Walker, in both cases trying to demonstrate why a bigoted jingoist who loves America and believes it can never ever do any wrong is the exact kind of person who shouldn't be Captain America.
So while "Captain America if he were a bigoted jerkass like most people from his generation" is an interesting What If situation, it'd already been done at least twice before Millar started writing the character.

Millar also wrote Hulk as a rapist in Old Man Logan
It's a bit of a pattern with him, if twice is a pattern and it probably is
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