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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#69301: Apr 26th 2017 at 12:06:23 PM

I sincerely doubt they're gonna kill off Claire.

Besides being super-popular, she plays important roles in Daredevil, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist's individual shows, so killing her off in Defenders would leave them unable to use her in those shows.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#69302: Apr 26th 2017 at 12:07:00 PM

Plus, the Defenders don't need anyone additional to avenge.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#69303: Apr 26th 2017 at 12:23:23 PM

They need people to defend, not avenge.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#69304: Apr 26th 2017 at 12:30:43 PM

Honestly what would they achieve from killing off Claire anyway? Aside from one or two episodes of cheap drama. She's much more valuable to the writers alive than dead.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#69305: Apr 26th 2017 at 12:36:30 PM

These people are the worst possible people to form a team. They're anti-social as it gets. Killing off their one mutual friend would give them a surefire reason to truly put their differences aside.

To be honest, I don't find Claire that valuable either. She's amusing, mostly. But she has very little dramatic arc and the one thing I felt they could have truly used her for (becoming a legit Night Nurse character for the MCU), they have more or less refused to do.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#69306: Apr 26th 2017 at 12:39:28 PM

No thanks. Killing Claire would be profoundly stupid.

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#69307: Apr 26th 2017 at 12:52:28 PM

I really don't see Claire as being that important, so I say out with her. Nothing against her, but she's easily one of the most "meh" characters in the Netflix shows. Also, she has served her narrative purpose, which is to be the link that unites them all. I don't see her character having any more going on with her other than being dead or staying as a lesser recurring character that heals the heroes.

Also, if her absence from The Punisher show is any indication, she's probably gonna die.

edited 26th Apr '17 12:53:35 PM by ExplosiveLion

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#69308: Apr 26th 2017 at 1:30:38 PM

Still have to get around to watching Daredevil but I quite enjoyed her in Luke Cage. She can stay on as the resident base of command who fixes them up after battles and also kicks ass on her own if need be. Also to act as a liaison between the heroes and regular civilians like Coulson. She's not flashy or has the most prominent and plot-crucial arcs but she's definitely not disposable either.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#69309: Apr 26th 2017 at 1:38:45 PM

She's also just a fun character, as a normal person dragged into a superhero world who's slowly adapting to the nonsense around her.

All the shows would lose something special if she were gone.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#69310: Apr 26th 2017 at 1:54:06 PM

I would never call Claire meh. She's a very complete human being, someone who knows what she wants and what's right. I'm worried they will kill her off for all the reasons Gaon is saying, but I really hope they don't. Her being alive and having to fight to keep these knuckleheads together is so much more satisfying than her being fridged for motivation.

I have absolute faith that Rosario Dawson could make that work as an actress, and I suspect an actress of her caliber might not want to be tied up in television, but I still really want Claire to live.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#69311: Apr 26th 2017 at 1:54:21 PM

What if Claire becomes the proper Night Nurse during/after The Defenders? You can't used her lack of a superhero identity against her when that's still a possibility.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#69312: Apr 26th 2017 at 1:55:07 PM

Night Nurse Mystery Hour, all the way.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#69313: Apr 26th 2017 at 2:39:43 PM

It would be stupid to kill her....that would more or less mean that none of the Defenders (especially Matt) can't hurt himself (or herself) anymore, because than nobody is there to put them together again.

Honestly, Danny should just hire her as stand-in nurse, put together some sort of mini-emergency station for her and perhaps add a stipend so that she can study medicine properly when she isn't busy stitching them up.

GreatMikadoVirtuous Since: Apr, 2017
#69314: Apr 26th 2017 at 3:11:02 PM

I thought Night Nurse was gonna be the woman who played Dr. Strange girlfriend?

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#69315: Apr 26th 2017 at 3:16:36 PM

Claire has more in common with the comics' Night Nurse than Christine Palmer at this point, especially since Christine is a doctor in the MCU, while Claire is the one patching up Luke and the other Defenders.

GreatMikadoVirtuous Since: Apr, 2017
#69316: Apr 26th 2017 at 3:20:20 PM

Huh.

So anyyway, when do we get to talk about Guardians 2 and its implications?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#69317: Apr 26th 2017 at 3:22:21 PM

When I personally see it.

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GreatMikadoVirtuous Since: Apr, 2017
#69318: Apr 26th 2017 at 3:24:32 PM

How do I put spoilers to talk about stuff that people who don't mind it want to discuss?

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#69319: Apr 26th 2017 at 3:25:50 PM

Like this: [[spoiler:Put your spoiler text here.]]

GreatMikadoVirtuous Since: Apr, 2017
#69320: Apr 26th 2017 at 3:27:58 PM

So Peter Quill essentially controls the Power Cosmic now. That kinda changes his character somewhat.

GreatMikadoVirtuous Since: Apr, 2017
#69321: Apr 26th 2017 at 3:33:14 PM

Also, the ending feels weirdly like a cross between the climaxes of Man Of Steel, and Evolution.

Like, with less death, but I got a really quite strong Man Of Steel vibe to where I think it was an actual direct inspiration. I've never seen two beings of that level of pure power just throwing themselves at one another in pure berserk rage, unfettered by any kind of restraint, outside of that.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#69322: Apr 26th 2017 at 3:35:29 PM

perhaps it is time to open a threat for Got G Vol 2...or resurrect the one of the first Got G, if there even is one....

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#69323: Apr 26th 2017 at 3:35:32 PM

What I mean when I say that she's "meh" is that she has no significant weight in the plot nor she has that much of an interesting arc to begin with. Yes, she might act as The Heart of the group, but beyond that there's not much else that she brings to the table. And the whole "normal person mixed with a bunch of superpowered/abnormal individuals" would come full circle with The Defenders anyway.

I mean, they could replace her with any other nurse, or with one hired by Danny (who's, you know, a freakin' billionaire, who could afford top tier medical assistance with confidentiality).

Ok, I might be a little hard on Claire, but if she were to be relegated to a lesser recurring character or died altogether the shows would hardly suffer for it. Just as the movies didn't suffer from Coulson's absence.

Also, why are you people posting spoilers for GOG, Vol. 2 if the movie hasn't even come out yet, as far as I know. Please stop?

edited 26th Apr '17 3:59:50 PM by ExplosiveLion

GreatMikadoVirtuous Since: Apr, 2017
#69324: Apr 26th 2017 at 3:39:51 PM

Its been out in Japan since the 10th.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#69325: Apr 26th 2017 at 3:42:13 PM

Claire is entertaining but just that. And her shtick of "normal person in the middle of a mess" is fun, but it starts to get a bit odd at times (like Iron Fist where she finds a good idea to accompany two master martial artists in a mission to fight super ninjas who she has seen demonstrate supernatural abilities).

"All you Fascists bound to lose."

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