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Avengers: Stop Asking for Masters of Evil
edited 25th Apr '17 10:35:07 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Avengers: ...You're Right, This Would Have Been A Lot Easier If We Hadn't Kept Introducing Villains Only To Immediately Kill Them Off Instead Of Leaving Open The Possibility For Them To Recur Later On, How Did We Not Get This, Seriously This Kind Of Thing Is Our Bread And Butter, Dang, Our Bad, For Real
The expectations for Got G Vol 2 are so high, I would actually be surprised if the movie lives up to it. Well, I'll give my brief report in two days.
Recurring villains are overrated. Every superhero has a huge rogues gallery. Given the development time for new films, every time a villain recurs, that's one less villain from that gallery who can show up. This isn't like a TV show where you're guaranteed 16-24 different stories in the span of a year.
Like, take Winter Soldier. Would the film really be improved if Alexander Pearce didn't exist and, in his place, we just got more cackling Red Skull?
Loki's trying to make it work by transitioning into a protagonist to avoid stealing the other villains' thunder, but even then, they ripped out all of Malekith's personality to give Loki more time to shine, so YMMV on whether or not the effort's proving effective.
Too much emphasis on keeping important villains around in a medium where you only get about 2-3 hours of story per 5 year period just results in shit like the Joker, who won't f*cking go away even though everyone's sick of his stupid face showing up in every goddamn thing as though Batman doesn't have any other villains to use.
See also: all the people begging for the new Spider-Man movie to be about anything but Norman Osborn again.
edited 25th Apr '17 10:53:42 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Avengers: You Thought You Already Had the Absolute Bottom of the Barrel for Villains Before But It Was Me! Orka!
edited 25th Apr '17 10:59:13 AM by LordVatek
This song needs more love.I more or less agree with this statement. ![]()
There are some villains who I feel should be recurring, but they are relatively few. One example I keep mentioning is Kraven. For reasons of: if you want to adapt Kraven's Last Hunt (i.e the best Kraven story and contender for the best Spider-Man story), you need to have him appear more than once because a lot of the fun of that story is that he's tired of losing and decides to go all-out.
Loki is another one I am alright with recurring but I feel he has overstayed his welcome.
edited 25th Apr '17 10:58:33 AM by Gaon
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Wait, Alexander Pearce? You mean the Irish convict who repeatably tried to escape prison and went down in history as a cannibal because he was one?
He's a Marvel villain? Cool!
edited 25th Apr '17 11:04:57 AM by fredhot16
Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.Every villain doesn't need to be recurring, but did we really need whole scripts written around Whiplash, Malekith, Aldrich Killian, and Yellowjacket? I'm not saying I want those particular guys to come back, but Marvel is awash in interesting villains, and the time spent with these nothing characters feels like it could be better utilized. If killing them isn't going to be particularly satisfying, then I wish we could at least swap them out for more interesting characters. Hold them in reserve, you know, burn them off as part of one of these prestige events.
edited 25th Apr '17 11:15:46 AM by Unsung
Malekith is a great villain in the comics with a much more frantic personality. And he might have been a better villain in the movie if the studio hadn't decided to cut half of his scenes in favor of more Loki (by all reports there were deleted scenes in which he elaborated on his motivations).
Whiplash would have been a better critique if the character wasn't actually pretty good in the movie. The problem with IM 2 is underusing him, the character itself as Mickey Rourke portrayed it is actually pretty damn cool. The real genericons of the MCU were Justin Hammer and Aldritch Killian,
The IM franchise really shot itself in the foot by refusing to use the Mandarin in any proper form given he's IM's most iconic villain. You could say only iconic villain if you exclude Obadiah/Ezekiel Stane (who was used in the first film) and Crimson Dynamo (who can't be really used in his proper form because the cold war has been over for a while).
edited 25th Apr '17 11:25:54 AM by Gaon
"All you Fascists bound to lose."![]()
Crimson Dynamo could still be a villain. I mean, he could be a Cold War villain that got frozen and then recently unfrozen. And then shit happens.
edited 25th Apr '17 11:33:39 AM by fredhot16
Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.I, personally, love Killian as the Mandarin.
But I would have liked Maya Hansen more.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I liked Mickey Rourke and his performance as Vanko, but he's in a completely different movie from the rest of the cast most of the time, and I still think it would've been better if he'd been someone other than Whiplash. Maybe lean harder into the whole 'relic of the Cold War' thing, with some flashbacks to a now-defunct Crimson Dynamo project. No, they didn't have the idea for Michael Douglas's Ant-Man at that time, but part of me still wishes that could be a thing.
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Same.
Also, I don't think more scenes would have fixed movie Malekith. It may have gone more into his motivation but you'd still have the same general portrayal of the character.
Although from what I remember of the Simonson run, Malekith had significant overlap with Loki anyway. So putting him in a movie with Loki was cutting his knees out from him just starting off.
edited 25th Apr '17 11:41:29 AM by Bocaj
Forever liveblogging the AvengersIt works, but not as well. Whiplash as portrayed in IM 2 is already basically a Whiplash-Dynamo fusion, at any rate (he is, more or less, discount Crimson Dynamo with a updated version of Whiplash's weaponry). Killian and Hammer run into the fact they're basically cardboard cutouts saying "evil capitalist guy" and no other substance excepting that.
Maya Hansen may have worked, but I do think the IM movies building up to the Mandarin and then doing a hard swerve to left-field was the worst Marvel decision up until the moment they decided to make the Ancient One white.
Iron Man's rogues gallery isn't stellar either.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."The key distinction between the two is that Loki is a scheming manipulator while Malekith is a cackling madman. Like, if you took the Joker and gave him superpowers, you'd have Malekith.
I maintain that there was no satisfying way to do the Mandarin because Iron Man 1 jumped the gun with the "Ten Rings" terrorists. What was intended as a clever Shout-Out became a noose around the character's neck, guaranteeing that he was going to be a shitty imitation of the character readers love no matter what.
edited 25th Apr '17 11:45:21 AM by TobiasDrake
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