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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#69201: Apr 24th 2017 at 3:28:32 PM

2 part films aren't seen as an honest business model anymore, so that was for the best.

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#69202: Apr 24th 2017 at 5:15:24 PM

Two part movies, rather than just a movie and its sequel filmed back to back, only really started because of film franchises based on books that were too large for one reasonable length movie. The Hobbit pushed that goodwill too far and Divergent never seemed to catch on anyway. I know a number of people praised the MCU for a two-part Avengers because they, more or less, "earned" it. With Justice League there is evidence the Part One/Part Two was just announcing a sequel (like The Godfather) and was never intended to be a single movie split in two. The fact they weren't filming back to back is the biggest claim to that.

I will say, filming back to back tends to be the biggest problem with two part movies, as they just see the end of the first film as a stopping point rather than a conclusion.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#69203: Apr 24th 2017 at 6:05:28 PM

The first two Divergent films did well proportional to their budgets. 288 million for the first movie and 297 million for the second. It as the third movie, the aforementioned part 1 of a 2-part finale, that outright flopped, bringing in only 179 million, significantly less than its predecessors.

As for Justice League, I'd seen it suggested that them ditching that model may have been influenced by the backlash against BVS (since we already have Word of God confirmation at least some things about the movie were altered after BVS).

Regardless I think Marvel saw the growing backlash against the trend and wisely wanted to dodge that bullet. What's more, being a shared universe pretty much prevents them from doing a two-parter in the traditional mold since unlike other franchises, the universe doesn't just cease to exist in between Avengers movies.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#69204: Apr 24th 2017 at 6:35:37 PM

Avengers: Hope You Ain't New To The Franchise 'Cause the Homework for This One is a Bitch

[lol] It's funny because it's true. [lol]

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#69205: Apr 24th 2017 at 6:51:32 PM

Avengers 4: Thanos the Hand of Fate

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#69206: Apr 24th 2017 at 6:52:39 PM

Avengers 4: Return of The Thordai.

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#69207: Apr 24th 2017 at 7:02:34 PM

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edited 24th Apr '17 7:02:42 PM by RAlexa21th

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#69208: Apr 24th 2017 at 7:25:55 PM

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#69210: Apr 24th 2017 at 7:34:25 PM

Avengers 4: Does it really matter because you are going to see it

On Justice League, the only major change made was that the released date of the sequel is in limbo. Production on JL started weeks after BVS, so any script changes would be minimal (Snyder said after the response to Bv S he was directing JL a little differently than expected, hinted to be things like Ezra Miller improvising a lot).

With Avengers, it's unlikely the switch came from any major script changes, but just a matter of seeing how best to market the films. For all we know, the second film will be an Immediate Sequel with a Time Skip after the first act.

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#69211: Apr 24th 2017 at 7:34:48 PM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#69212: Apr 24th 2017 at 9:17:12 PM

Avengers 4: Thanos the Hand of Fate
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Also, I doubt Avengers 4 is called Avengers: Infinity Gauntlet. I think Zoe Saldana simply slipped up or something.

edited 24th Apr '17 9:18:56 PM by alliterator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#69213: Apr 24th 2017 at 9:24:51 PM

The Avengers: The big finale but not really because there is so much more coming.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#69214: Apr 24th 2017 at 10:52:26 PM

So I decided to cook up my own fantasy casting for a Squadron Supreme movie, heavily based on the Supreme Power MAX title, because I enjoy it, although I'd be willing to discuss tweaks both to the plotting and cast. Part of the frustrating challenge is that many of my prime candidates for certain roles are either too old, already cast in the Marvel Universe, or already locked into other franchises.

Richard Madden as Hyperion

Michael B. Jordan as The Atlanta Blur

Aaron Eckhart as Doctor Spectrum

Michael Ealy as Nighthawk

Anne Hathaway as Zarda the Power Princess

Mélanie Laurent as Amphibian

Benjamin Bratt as General Alexander

Christopher Meloni as Michael Redstone

My various fanfics.
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#69215: Apr 24th 2017 at 10:52:57 PM

The Avengers 4: Will The Bubble Ever Burst?

[up] Those are good suggestions and I'm glad I've found another fan of Supreme Power.

But I doubt the movie would ever happen.

edited 24th Apr '17 10:54:12 PM by Nikkolas

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#69216: Apr 24th 2017 at 11:59:09 PM

The Avengers: No Coulson's Not Showing Up Here Either.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#69217: Apr 25th 2017 at 12:19:54 AM

[up][up] You could always justify it by having Avengers 5 be "Avengers: Ultimate Power"

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#69218: Apr 25th 2017 at 12:21:10 AM

So, I'm guessing the following films after phase 3 will be interquels or something like that?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#69219: Apr 25th 2017 at 12:22:39 AM

What manner of plot would you want for a Supreme Power movie?

As I recall the initial miniseries was a sort of Reality Ensues take on Superman's origins

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#69220: Apr 25th 2017 at 12:32:42 AM

More or less, yeah, the Squadron Supreme movie is not unlike the Supreme Power miniseries. Make cuts where necessary to fit it within an hour and a half/two hours. I think ending it on Hyperion's big, seismic "Leave me alone" punch to the north pole works as a powerful end for the film.

My various fanfics.
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#69221: Apr 25th 2017 at 4:10:35 AM

I'd be interested in seeing reactions to the horribly racist black Not-Batman.

But really, given that the original wasn't a typical team book or anything and was more just a look at various largely disconnected individuals coming into superpowers, a Supreme Power movie might as well just focus on Hyperion and exclude everyone else.

edited 25th Apr '17 4:12:38 AM by Nikkolas

LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#69222: Apr 25th 2017 at 5:05:53 AM

So the early reviews for GOTG 2 are that it's good, but it doesn't live up to the first film, and that it goes a bit too overboard with its own formula.

Maybe letting James Gunn go hog-wild with the sequel wasn't the best decision.

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#69223: Apr 25th 2017 at 5:08:06 AM

As this? https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/guardians_of_the_galaxy_vol_2

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#69224: Apr 25th 2017 at 6:23:10 AM

We won't know that until we see the movie, let's not cry doom just yet.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#69225: Apr 25th 2017 at 6:49:41 AM

[up]86% is pretty damn good.

Hell, even detractors are still saying the movie is worth buying on Blu-Ray.

Marvel - Where anything less than sweeping the Oscars is considered something of a disappointment.

edited 25th Apr '17 6:52:42 AM by Beatman1


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