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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#69176: Apr 24th 2017 at 2:16:40 AM

I just wanted to say that the Thunderbolds are more similar to Got G than they are to Suicide Squad if the movie were actually a good adaptation of Suicide Squad instead of a Guardians rip-off.

I still think that the concept is different enough that it would be interesting, but I also think that it is too early. We first need a few villains. Too bad, though, that they can't do it as the big reveal it was originally.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#69177: Apr 24th 2017 at 6:22:45 AM

Avengers 4: We've probably got your $7.50 anyway

...I don't get it. Is that a joke regarding the prices for movie tickets?

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#69178: Apr 24th 2017 at 6:25:53 AM

Supreme Power is in the Ultimate comics tier of things to carefully cherry pick from

You do not want that comic's tone or many of its events. Its constant fish nudity is probably also a no no

edited 24th Apr '17 6:26:32 AM by Bocaj

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#69179: Apr 24th 2017 at 6:46:59 AM

Ignoring the Sony deal for Spider-Man rights, we could probably use Norman as long as we never mention the Green Goblin. Green Goblin Norman is a Spider-Man villain but Iron Patriot Norman is an Avengers villain. Legally, I'm certain there'd be no problems with Norman Osborn as an Evil Counterpart to Tony Stark, assembling his own Dark Avengers and/or Thunderbolts with his own cutting-edge weapons technology.

I'm almost certain that's not the case. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were a very odd, unique case because even though they were created as X-Men, they spent the majority of their existence as Avengers characters. Norman becoming an Avengers villain was a relatively recent development in the grand scheme of his character history, so I can't imagine that would hold any legal sway. Jessica Drew is a shared rights cases between Marvel and Sony but again, that's because her creation and character history are a very unique kind of weird.

It's the same way every so often I hear someone suggest Wolverine should be free for Marvel to use because he was an Avenger for a while. That's not how these things work.

edited 24th Apr '17 6:50:11 AM by comicwriter

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#69180: Apr 24th 2017 at 7:09:47 AM

The difference is that Norman Osborn has not only been an Avengers villain and a Spider-Man villain, but he's had a clearly distinct identity for both. The Green Goblin has never been an Avengers villain. The Iron Patriot has never been a Spider-Man villain. They're two very different versions of the character for his two very different franchises.

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#69181: Apr 24th 2017 at 7:12:16 AM

You know who was a rad villain who really should have gotten used more in the comics?

Imus Champion, natural born supervillain and master of every skill. Also a big son of a gun.

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#69182: Apr 24th 2017 at 7:26:20 AM

[up][up]Again, I don't think that holds any legal sway. It's still Norman Osborn and it was, all things considered, a brief blip on his actual published history (he's since gone back to menacing Spider-Man). I don't see how that's gonna get a judge to say he's co-owned.

And Iron Patriot was just a derivative identity taken from Iron Man to begin with so that's presumably why they could use it in Iron Man 3.

edited 24th Apr '17 7:29:29 AM by comicwriter

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#69183: Apr 24th 2017 at 7:38:20 AM

GOTG 2 reviews are hitting the internet and the consensus is "good, stands apart from the other Marvel films rather than being devoted to them, but not as good as the first."

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#69184: Apr 24th 2017 at 7:47:28 AM

Man, those people who keep crediting Guardians for ignoring the rest of the MCU and being their own independent franchise are going to be so upset come Infinity War.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#69185: Apr 24th 2017 at 9:01:50 AM

Not as good as the first? Considering I found the first one kinda lukewarm due to the style of humor, I don't know if that means I'm going to like this one more or less. If it's because they move away from the humor towards heavier plot and character focus then that would be a step up.

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#69186: Apr 24th 2017 at 9:07:59 AM

@Bocaj I say to embrace the tone as a stark contrast to the tone of the current MCU. These are two different universes, make them feel different.

What events of the original Miniseries run are you against using?

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#69187: Apr 24th 2017 at 9:13:59 AM

[up][up]There's apparently a lot more focus on the individual team members this time around.

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#69188: Apr 24th 2017 at 9:15:19 AM

I'd have to reread but not-Luthor's backstory probably

Not even sure if that was in the original miniseries or not. I think the original only had Hyperion, Spectrum, Power Princess, Nighthawk, and the speed guy.

Power Princess' weird succubusian tendencies are probably not super film friendly. And also weird in general. Not a very good take on Wonder Woman, not in the way that the others were

My overall impression of Supreme Power is that it was sometimes good at using its rating to tell a mature story. And other times revelled in the nudity and violence like a thirteen year old.

edited 24th Apr '17 9:17:09 AM by Bocaj

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#69189: Apr 24th 2017 at 9:19:27 AM

"Not as good as the first" could mean a lot of things, so I'll need to see the film.

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#69190: Apr 24th 2017 at 11:15:18 AM

[up][up] It also had the fish gal. Not-Luthor wasn't introduced until the Post-Stracynski Squadron Supreme series.

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#69191: Apr 24th 2017 at 11:17:27 AM

Fish gal! She has a wide-eyed wonderment of life.

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#69192: Apr 24th 2017 at 11:21:29 AM

A lot of reviews also said John Wick Chapter II wasn't as good as the first.

Those reviews were wrong.

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#69193: Apr 24th 2017 at 11:22:12 AM

[up][up] She and Doc Spectrum were surprisingly precious.

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#69196: Apr 24th 2017 at 3:10:21 PM

But then why go through the trouble of insisting it's not really a two part film if they're gonna be sharing titles like that?

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#69197: Apr 24th 2017 at 3:10:26 PM

Full title: Avengers: Infinity Gauntlet (is used to punch a hole in Tony's abdomen).

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#69198: Apr 24th 2017 at 3:12:18 PM

Avengers: Hope You Ain't New To The Franchise 'Cause the Homework for This One is a Bitch

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#69199: Apr 24th 2017 at 3:14:59 PM

[up][up][up]Given there's two movies between them (Ant-Man & The Wasp and Captain Marvel) I figure Gauntlet isn't gonna take place immediately after War.

That and they probably wanted to avoid the bad rap two-part movies have increasingly been getting (to the point that it effectively killed the Divergent franchise). Justice League also abandoned its plan to have the first movie be a two-parter.

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#69200: Apr 24th 2017 at 3:16:21 PM

Ah, true, almost forgot about that.

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