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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#69076: Apr 22nd 2017 at 8:00:40 PM

Maybe Steve and Tony will heroic sacrifice themselves to stop the Threat. Like in the What If? Annihilation War what if issue about annihilation war interrupting Civil War.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#69077: Apr 22nd 2017 at 8:11:39 PM

I don't think that'll happen. I think they may set up legacy characters, but I don't think they would kill them off, if only because that would preclude them from having any cameos in later films (unless they did the whole "Peggy Carter" thing and had cameos via flashbacks).

I would love a Black Widow movie for Phase 4 or whatever they call it.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#69078: Apr 22nd 2017 at 8:19:54 PM

Tony is the only one I can see them realistically killing off, mostly because RDJ is really damn expensive and because his character arc is the easiest to draw a conclusion to.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#69079: Apr 22nd 2017 at 8:22:21 PM

I'd actually say that he's the easiest one to retire, rather than kill. I don't think Cap would retire anytime soon, but Tony may simply get too tired of being Iron Man, decide to pass the mantle on to someone else (like Riri Williams), and try to get back together with Pepper.

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#69080: Apr 22nd 2017 at 8:28:27 PM

I don't know if I've said this before, but the idea of a movie with Ironheart involving Tony as a mentor figure similar to Bruce Wayne in Batman Beyond would be great.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#69081: Apr 22nd 2017 at 8:34:18 PM

I, too, would enjoy that a lot. Especially if they included alcoholism as part of the reason he's retiring — I keep wanting to see more of a "Demon in a Bottle" story for Tony. I know there was a reason they didn't do it in Iron Man 2, but it was a stupid reason (something like "stories about alcoholism are too adult" or something).

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#69082: Apr 22nd 2017 at 8:42:23 PM

I reject the notion that a character's story must end with their death. I second the idea that Tony retires (maybe he gets cripple fighting Thanos).

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#69083: Apr 22nd 2017 at 8:51:15 PM

Huh. You know, I actually figured out a good storyline for Tony to pass the mantle on to Riri: Armor Wars. Tony learns that the designs to all of his suits have somehow been leaked and goes on a cross country rampage finding and stopping everyone who is building their own Iron Man suits. When he finds 15-year-old Riri, he sees a lot of himself in her, so takes her under his wing as they both fight against, like, the Titanium Man, the Mandroids, the Ghost, and the final villain, Ezekiel Stane.

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#69084: Apr 22nd 2017 at 9:05:19 PM

I've pitched a movie introducing Riri before in this thread. It emphasised the parallels between her as Iron Man's Legacy Character and Ezekiel as Stane's son who's very similar to a young Tony Stark.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#69085: Apr 22nd 2017 at 9:07:29 PM

They can have Riri be Tony's successor on the field and have War Machine be her onscreen mentor for when RDJ is too costly to handle. Since it would suck if Civil War was his actual swan song.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#69086: Apr 22nd 2017 at 9:22:02 PM

Is Rhodey not coming back for Infinity War? Any official word on that?

...Maybe piloting a giant mech, either remotely or in person, using some sort of VR/AR interface?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#69087: Apr 22nd 2017 at 9:29:55 PM

Him piloting via remote control would be cool, since we already saw Tony do that in Iron Man 3.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#69088: Apr 22nd 2017 at 10:10:51 PM

Weird idea, but what if Tony dies but nevertheless carries on as some sort of AI? That way Marvel could use him whenever its relevant, not use him when it isn't even when the Avengers are assembled, and even just use his voice is they want to.

edited 22nd Apr '17 10:11:50 PM by KnownUnknown

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#69089: Apr 22nd 2017 at 10:51:13 PM

I mean, they could do that if he's still alive, too — just have him remote-in or chat via video call or something. Say "He's retired but he's still a consultant" or something.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#69090: Apr 23rd 2017 at 1:25:15 AM

I want them to turn the scene from the Death of Captain America around, with Tony lying on the slab and Cap putting his shield on him as a gesture of respect. I mean, I will bawl my eyes out, but it feels so right. And then they should do a "Death of Superman" scene, in which Tony is carried to his grave with all the heroes and as many characters as possible following in a massive funeral.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#69091: Apr 23rd 2017 at 6:34:21 AM

Tony's death would actually be a fitting end to his story. The point is made in Civil War that he's addicted to being Iron Man and that he can't stop, and they've tried the retirement thing already and it didn't stick.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#69092: Apr 23rd 2017 at 7:49:36 AM

"I'm sorry, you, guy in the devil costume. Did... You know Tony?"
"By reputation. But I'm not missing this cameo opportunity"

edited 23rd Apr '17 7:49:51 AM by Bocaj

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KingNomarch Since: Oct, 2015
#69095: Apr 23rd 2017 at 10:04:25 AM

Kevin Tancharoen might be directing an episode of Inhumans[1]

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#69096: Apr 23rd 2017 at 10:08:26 AM

[up][up][up]"Goddamnit, Daredevil, I know you can sense where the coffin is."

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it's a living
#69097: Apr 23rd 2017 at 10:13:21 AM

Maybe he's looking at Iron Fist's spooky ghost. Or the spot way off in the background where he's hiding and laughing, that seems like something Danny would do. Or both.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#69098: Apr 23rd 2017 at 10:21:00 AM

[up][up][up] Really? That is great news. He did some of the best episodes of Ao S.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#69099: Apr 23rd 2017 at 10:32:00 AM

Kevin Tancharoen might be directing an episode of Inhumans
I mean, he also directed an episode of Iron Fist, which was showrun by Scott Buck, too, so I'd say that him directing an episode of Inhumans is probably correct. Which is cool — Kevin Tancharoen is definitely one of the more innovative directors working on Marvel TV. His fight scenes are outstanding, so I can't wait to see if he directs a fight with, say, Karnak.

I mean, I'd also prefer it if Kevin Tancharoen had a lot more influence on Inhumans than just directing, too, because then we might actually get a real crossover between that show and Agents of SHIELD, but this works out fine, too. I'm just hoping that we get at least a cameo by Daisy at some point.

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#69100: Apr 23rd 2017 at 1:56:04 PM

I don't want Tony to retire or die. I strongly disagree with the logic that he's easy to retire; f*ck, he's already retired twice and that lasted about five seconds both times. It's been firmly established that not only are the Avengers and Iron Man more important to Tony than his own company, they're more important to him than Pepper too. They're his legacy. His direction in life. Instead of making weapons for the army, now he makes Avengers for Earth.

Tony might be a Knight in Sour Armor but he'll be an Avenger until it kills him. For their part, the Avengers need him. They need his ideas, they need his designs, they need his money. They don't really exist without him.

A lot of the same can be said about Steve, which is the entire point of dramatically splitting them in half like the comics like to do and the movies just did: because the Avengers are always weaker without their two cornerstones. I highly doubt they're going to climactically come back together for Infinity War just to be like, "Well, that was cool. Anyways, I'm sure you guys can handle just fine without me. See ya!"

Instead, a fitting conclusion for Steve and Tony is to kick them upstairs. Make the Avengers into the new S.H.I.E.L.D., so to speak. Have future movies revolve around the new members. Mention them in passing from time to time, like, "Director Stark wants us in Bucharest to deal with this alien crash that just happened. Director Rogers sent us these orders on first contact protocol."

edited 23rd Apr '17 1:57:42 PM by TobiasDrake

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