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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
What are the necessary characteristics of a superhero show or of being written as a superhero?
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI do think the show has reinvented itself, more than once, and now includes at least one bonafide superhero (Quake). She only became a superhero when she left SHIELD, however, and now that she's back, she's more like a superspy.
Also, awesome moment from the last AOS episode:
edited 21st Apr '17 8:19:41 AM by alliterator
The marketing in the first season absolutely gave off the vibe it was gonna be more about superheroes/superpowers than it actually was. The trailers/TV spots open up with a montage of the Avengers and have stuff like super people jumping out of rooftops and slamming into the pavement and all that good stuff. Phrases like "See where The Avengers left off!" and that horrifically misleading Thor "tie-in" were liberally bandied about as well.
Again, this isn't an anecdote. The show not being what people felt it was presented as was across the board one of the biggest criticisms of Season 1 back when it first aired. Hype Backlash was one of the biggest strikes against it.
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He fucking better.
edited 21st Apr '17 8:40:59 AM by comicwriter
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Jim Starlin's run on Warlock is among the Greatest Comics of All Time.
edited 21st Apr '17 8:40:30 AM by FoxBoxKid
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I mean, here is the trailer for the first season and although it begins about superheroes, the entire thing is pretty much about, you know, Agents of SHIELD. (Especially since this includes the line "Not All Heroes Are Super.")
In fact, here's the promo that says "The Saga That Began in the Avengers Continues Here...":
edited 21st Apr '17 8:44:12 AM by alliterator
I mean, if someone watched only the first five seconds of the promo, I get why they would be confused. But if they watched the entire promo, they shouldn't be. There are all these hints about what the show is about, like, I don't know, the name and all the non-superheroes in it.
edited 21st Apr '17 8:49:02 AM by alliterator
Anyway....yeah. If they'd marketed the first season better there'd probably have been less backlash from viewers. Woulda coulda shoulda I guess. It's a shame because while it did improve there's something of a Never Live It Down pervading its reputation that largely exists because of the mishandling of Season 1.
I do love the gags that inspired though.
edited 21st Apr '17 8:50:49 AM by comicwriter
Were there announcements of Michelle Yeoh and Ving Rhames being in GOTG 2 beforehand? Or is this a big surprise kinda thing?
I get the criticism but dealing with this nonsense is kind of SHIELD's job.
And Daisy can shake mountains. So.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersIt seems like the showrunners on AOS were hoping for a little more reciprocity from the actual cinematic wing of the MCU. And maybe when Joss Whedon was directing the big tentpole crossovers, that seemed more likely. They seem to have accepted it's not happening now, though going by that interview with Chloe Bennett
a few months back, there's still some resentment about that.
The show did get off to a pretty rough start. It frittered away a lot of goodwill, probably with viewers and the studios both, with weak episodes featuring what movie crossovers they got, like Sif. So unfortunately by the time they were getting Nick Fury and Maria Hill back later in the season, there just wasn't the viewership left where that sort of bump meant much. And even when they introduced the Inhumans on the show, it went largely ignored. And so now they're mostly just doing their own thing.
edited 21st Apr '17 10:21:57 AM by Unsung
edited 21st Apr '17 9:44:06 AM by alliterator
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Yeah. That plus the marketing hurt it. I still remember the internet collectively getting pissed off with the episode that was touted as being a Thor: The Dark World tie-in and the "tie-in" was a joke in the first scene.
Comparatively I felt the Netflix shows did a better job with not having misleading marketing.
edited 21st Apr '17 10:03:20 AM by comicwriter
I think even the tagline would cause some confusion, because then people might be thinking that the show is about how these Badass Normals are able to stay relevant next to the likes of Thor or Captain America. That's still not really the case. Overall, AOS was marketed as a tie in filling in the gaps of the MCU movies, when it has mostly just done its own thing. This is in contrast to the Netflix shows, where the connection to the rest of the MCU is a lot thinner.
The catch with Ao S is that it isn't really a traditional superhero show and this is where the first half of season 1 fizzled out. Ao S works best when it's being a spy show. That's why the mid-season twist in the first season aided it so much: we finally got to see them doing spy shit, complex gambits, labyrinthine international shadowy schemes, mole operations, false flags, e.t.c. And this sort of espionage shtick is something the show kept up from that point onwards, and it only improved by doing so.
The first 1/2 of the first season suffered from trying to be basically a budget superhero show, so our heroes mostly dealt with some fairly mundane "stop the evil menace" stuff. Afterwards it got a lot more cerebral and became all the better for it.
edited 21st Apr '17 10:22:51 AM by Gaon
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
That is an odd cast makeup. Three big action actors from the 80's and 90's and....Miley Cyrus? Not a bad choice just kinda doesn't fit with the overall Casting Gag.
edited 21st Apr '17 10:47:25 AM by comicwriter
Huh? She still has a career as far as I'm aware.
Feige on where they plan to go after Phase 4.
We have an idea [of what the MCU looks like post-Infinity War], and it’s gonna be very, very different.
http://collider.com/marvel-phase-4-movies-kevin-feige/#mcu
edited 21st Apr '17 11:13:57 AM by comicwriter

The itself does not a superhero show make. Mockingbird and Quake weren't even written as superheroes.