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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#68701: Apr 13th 2017 at 10:37:39 AM

i didn't know Hydra made head triggered bomb vests now. The bastards!
The trigger was in Crossbones' hand. Again, unless Cap managed to break his hand and grab the trigger before Crossbones set it off (and that's a big if), he would have still detonated.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#68702: Apr 13th 2017 at 10:44:17 AM

[up][up]Sokovia is a bad comparation because Tony and Banner(and wanda in some extend) are guilty(or responsable) of that happeing in the first place and they only got to save so many people because of the Helicarrer-ex-machina in the middle of the fight.

Sure thing could got different but that way Cap argument could have more weight, as he got distracted long enough to Crossbone to blow himself up and is only thanks to wanda he is breathing right there(which is why I dont blame Wanda that much for Lagos, is more is fault than anything)

edited 13th Apr '17 10:44:44 AM by unknowing

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#68703: Apr 13th 2017 at 10:45:54 AM

[up][up]Yep. So like I said, break his hands and crack him over the head. Or at the least, make sure he's unconscious. Unless he's knocked unconscious while in the middle of putting his finger on the trigger, there's no issue.

The bomb went off because Crossbones was conscious and Cap got talked into a stupid conversation about Bucky. He was doing just fine up to that point.

edited 13th Apr '17 10:47:34 AM by comicwriter

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#68704: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:02:25 AM

Yep. So like I said, break his hands and crack him over the head.
And if, say, Crossbones activates the bomb while Cap is trying to break his hand and knock him on the head? Because it takes a second to push a button, while what you are talking about would take a bit longer.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#68705: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:03:23 AM

No really. Boom. Head punch. He's down. Cap's floored guys in the MCU with a lot less. Crossbones was clearly fine waiting so he could have his little Bucky monologue first, so just punch him.

edited 13th Apr '17 11:04:18 AM by comicwriter

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#68706: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:05:05 AM

... are we assuming that Cap knew beforehand that Crossbones had an explosive vest and he'd blow himself, and then let him push the button?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#68707: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:07:00 AM

No really. Boom. Head punch. He's down.
1) Crossbones was wearing a helmet. 2) Once the helmet was off, Crossbones had his finger on the button, he just wanted to taunt Cap first. So even if Cap had done a head punch, Crossbones would have pushed the button and boom.

You are assuming that Cap's fist is faster than Crossbones' finger and it isn't.

edited 13th Apr '17 11:07:33 AM by alliterator

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#68708: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:10:39 AM

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No, I know that, what I mean is that people are giving Cap shit as if he deliberately let Crossbones push the button.

Or even know about the damn vest.

edited 13th Apr '17 11:13:21 AM by ExplosiveLion

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#68709: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:11:10 AM

Once the helmet was off was when he was doing his speech. Hit him in the middle of it was what I just said.

You are assuming that Cap's fist is faster than Crossbones' finger and it isn't.

Seems plenty fast to me.

edited 13th Apr '17 11:11:52 AM by comicwriter

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#68710: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:11:47 AM

[up]Again, you are assuming Cap's fist is faster than Crossbones' finger. It isn't. Cap hits Crossbones, but Crossbones hits the button before that, same thing happens.

edited 13th Apr '17 11:11:51 AM by alliterator

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#68711: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:12:22 AM

Until I see a scientific study stating Cap's fist isn't faster, I'm sticking to that. Sorry. tongue

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#68712: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:15:38 AM

Yeah, Cap's fast, but to claim that he could be as fast as to stop Crossbones finger it's really pushing it.

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#68713: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:16:00 AM

Or he hits the button in a spasm from the blow.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#68714: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:18:52 AM

Punching someone fast enough to stop them from hitting a switch would be far from his most absurd feat so I'm really not seeing the improbability.

But mostly at this point I'm just taking a piss because I find the idea that Cap could not have possibly done anything in this situation to be silly when he himself admits textually that he bears some responsibility because he let Crossbones distract him. That's not supposition it's what he literally says in the movie.

edited 13th Apr '17 11:19:25 AM by comicwriter

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#68715: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:20:18 AM

Well then do the smart thing and blame Tony Stark and Matt Murdock.

Don't worry. No one will call you on it. Those two are awful.tongue

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ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#68716: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:24:10 AM

Those are the words of a guilty man. Sometimes we say that we should've done something when, really, there was nothing to do.

Crossbones did something nobody expected; don't act like Cap had any prior knowledge of the bomb or he was fast enought to break his hand. Cap was surprised, he TRIED to stop him, but hey, Crossbones finger was barely a couple centimeters away from the button.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#68717: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:24:38 AM

But mostly at this point I'm just taking a piss because I find the idea that Cap could not have possibly done anything in this situation to be silly when he himself admits textually that he bears some responsibility because he let Crossbones distract him. That's not supposition it's what he literally says in the movie.
Cap blames himself even when it's not his fault because Cap is the type of person who blames himself even when it's not his fault. See: The First Avenger and Bucky's "death."

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#68718: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:25:57 AM

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This is why we have Tony Stark and Matt Murdock.

They suck anyway, so just blame them. I'm sure we can think of some way for it to be their faults.

Especially that first one.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#68719: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:26:09 AM

[up][up][up][up]Tony stole the last cup of coffee that day, which is why Steve was so sluggish. The bastard. tongue

edited 13th Apr '17 11:26:24 AM by comicwriter

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#68720: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:30:33 AM

Cap's capacity for self-blame has got nothing on Spider-Man's. Nobody blames themselves for things as well as Spider-Man does.

That's something I really hope the MCU Spidey movies adapt well. Peter Parker's got issues, man.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#68721: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:32:26 AM

I was gonna say what's he got to whine about when he gets to pal around with Tony Stark but then I remembered that's probably the kiss of death.

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#68722: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:33:40 AM

Now I just want Spider-Man and Captain America to get into a screaming match over which of them is really at fault for the Chitauri Invasion.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#68723: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:39:33 AM

Petey legitimately believes that if anything bad happens around him, it's his fault for not stopping it. Even if there was realistically no way for him to do so, he'll conclude that it only happened because he failed to be better.

He could punch out Thanos, singlehandedly take down the Chitauri, and solve world hunger at the same time, thus saving the Earth for centuries to come, but if some debris falls on a cat in the process he's a failure.

edited 13th Apr '17 11:40:07 AM by KnownUnknown

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#68724: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:43:04 AM

There was a good scene in the Revenge of the Sinister Six book where he tried to go on one of his typical guilt sprees and the person he was talking with told him to cut that shit out.

And then told him that it was not a bonding moment.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#68725: Apr 13th 2017 at 11:47:57 AM

[up][up]One of the few non-shitty bits in AVX was him saying he's that way because deep down he knows no matter how many lives he saves or how many truly horrible, evil people he stops, none of it will ever undo his biggest, stupidest mistake and bring back Uncle Ben.


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