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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
It was sarcasm. Comicwriter and I were parodying Joss Whedon's dislike of cliffhangers resulting Age of Ultron having to simultaneously set up Civil War while still demanding a happy ending.
Which is kind of weird, if I'm understanding the reason he dislikes them right.
He of all people should recognize the need for a film in a series to sacrifice proper (or even basic) individual plot construction for the sake of the overall story. After all, both Avengers movies (and any that will come in the future, for sure) make similar sacrifices.
edited 11th Apr '17 11:18:07 PM by KnownUnknown
Ultron is both smart and cocky — just like, say, Tony Stark. He makes up plans on the fly that often enough don't quite work out — just like, say, Tony Stark. It doesn't matter if his plans don't work out, because Ultron throws it off with a quip and a joke — just like, say, Tony Stark.
Ultron isn't an Avengers villain. Ultron is an Tony Stark villain. And yes, things don't work out for him, but they never were going to work out. But there was still an enormous amount of effort that went into stopping him — and the Sokovia attack reverberated into Civil War, meaning that, hell, Ultron even caused that movie.
edited 11th Apr '17 11:32:17 PM by alliterator
Well, her and Pietro being willing to be experimented on was out of wanting to protect their home from something they perceived as a dangerous threat. Everything after that up until realizing that Ultron's plan was "Kill everyone" was lashing out at a world and the group that took everything from her.
My various fanfics.Nobody said HYDRA in The Winter Soldier or Ronan were weak because they failed, because both came off as legitimately powerful. Good writing makes taking down a villain feel like a feat, not an inevitability.
Not good logic to use for an Avengers film. By that logic one could say "well of course Strucker looked weak in AUO, he's a Captain America villain". Presentation matters, and if a character doesn't work well in a swapped environment then they should be replaced.
I might've said this before, but I really dislike how the twins' catalyst for switching sides boils down to "oh no Ultron hates everybody". Any legitimate discussion of their view of Tony Stark and the Avengers as loose cannons is promptly forgotten during and after getting Ultron out of the way. It's a lazier version of Guardians of the Galaxy. One wonders what Civil War would've been like if Wanda had decided to use the Accords to get reparations from Tony.
I think that points to a larger problem with the film as a whole. For all the discussion that Ultron views the Avengers as dangerous, that Hulk's rampage brings their reputation down, and Cap's claim that the battle in Sokovia has to prove they're the right protectors of the world, it never actually gets depicted, only discussed.
edited 12th Apr '17 12:17:33 AM by Tuckerscreator
The problem is that Wanda and Pietro's "desperation" essentially amounted to "we hate The Avengers." Everything that they did, was for the sake of a personal grudge, including being complicate in the deaths of innocent people (and seemingly not caring much about that for a big chunk of the movie). And again, if you want to do a redemption arc for Wanda, fine. But that's not what CW does with her, and I have a hard time sympathizing with her in the way that CW clearly wants me to.
It's the same thing with Zemo. I find him no all that sympathetic because he's intentionally and knowingly killing or putting in a position to be killed, hundreds of innocent people. And it's all for the sake of his own personal vengeance.
But the one difference is, ultimately the movie still treats Zemo like he's the VILLAIN!! It's just that he's a villain with an understandable motivation for doing what he does. But it doesn't essentially go "oh poor Zemo, we need to coddle him" like it does Wanda.
edited 12th Apr '17 12:39:30 AM by Punisher286
It's a little bit more complicated than that. They grew up in a country which was in a constant state of being under attack from one force or another, and mixed into that is a war trauma which goes way beyond a personal grudge. Spending hours staring at a bomb waiting for it to go off would mess up anyone, never mind two children who just lost their parents and then grew up on their own. Naturally they hate Tony - the Avengers they only hate as his extension, his enablers.
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Hell, Zemo's grudge is arguably more justified if only because he's actually going after the Avengers for something that is there fault. Wanda's reason for hating them boils down to one of them building a bomb that killed their parents. it's like me trying to kill a car company CEO because one of the cars his company built killed my parents in a car accident.
Zemo grew up under the same conditions as them and has a more justified grudge yet he's treated as a villain while they aren't.
edited 12th Apr '17 1:15:27 AM by windleopard
For one, he didn't...we know that he wasn't an orphan and that he actually managed to have quite a good time living in Sokovia. I also doubt that he ever spend hours staring at a bomb. And two, Zemo was a pretty questionable character before he lost his family. He was the leader of a freaking kill squad!
He still lived in the same country as the twins.
Until Ultron wiped it out.
And Wanda joined a terrorist organization that even the Nazis were afraid of, psychologically tortured five people and set a living WMD on a populated area. What does what Zemo was before Ultron have to do with anything? We're judging him and Wanda for what they did after they lost their families and not before.
edited 12th Apr '17 1:46:55 AM by windleopard
I hope the Fenris Wolf, the Midgard Serpant, and most of the Planet Hullk cast are in Thor: Ragnarok. It would make me sad if Hulk's role in the Planet Hulk portion is actually replacing Silver Surfer and Thor is replacing Hulk, which I fear will happen considering how Valkyrie appears to be replacing Caiera.
If Jormungandr is in Ragnarok I will be extremely happy. I really want to see an adaptation of that famous spread page.
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But I'm not holding my breath, especially since they said they were phasing out Midgard in this one.
x4 Well, to what extent would you want them in the movie? We have quite a few characters as it is.

Are you sugesting Ultron should use football droids? because im totally ok with that
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