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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#68551: Apr 11th 2017 at 5:41:00 PM

What're you talking about?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#68552: Apr 11th 2017 at 5:42:59 PM

Steve and Thor tied?

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#68553: Apr 11th 2017 at 5:49:08 PM

[up][up] You know what, and honestly I forgot about Rhodey too.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#68554: Apr 11th 2017 at 5:53:09 PM

[up][up] Steve is, well, Steve, and Thor is literally the god of the protection of mankind.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#68555: Apr 11th 2017 at 6:28:55 PM

You can also see Loki getting knocked away next to Thor when Hela breaks Mjolnir, so I guess they went looking for dad together. That's nice, Loki is at his most interesting when he's not being actively antagonistic.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#68556: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:28:33 PM

I know we all love to shit on Stark, but I'd bump him up above Scarlet Witch at least. At least he wasn't deliberately aiding terrorists and destroying cities.

And maybe Nat, given her very bloody past including at least one confirmed murder of an innocent, probably more.

edited 11th Apr '17 7:29:04 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#68557: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:31:26 PM

We can keep Matt on the bottom though, right?

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#68558: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:32:26 PM

Most of the morally dubious things Tony did came from a good place even if they didn't really pan out how he wanted.

edited 11th Apr '17 7:35:58 PM by LordVatek

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#68559: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:32:28 PM

[up][up] May as well, gotta show that ghost horse who's boss.

edited 11th Apr '17 7:33:47 PM by Cross

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#68560: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:34:48 PM

He's a pretty shitty friend to Foggy and Karen but in terms of his superheroics he hasn't really done anything heinous.

So Daredevil is a hero, Matt Murdock is not. tongue

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#68561: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:40:40 PM

I want to give Wanda a little more credit because at the very least, the bad things she did were coming from a place of desperation.

Tony, on the other hand, even when he's been heroic, every good thing he's done still has an element of "Look at me! Revere me! Praise me! Aren't I so smart? Aren't I so charming? Give your love to the futureman!"

Consequently, if I were to rank the Defenders...

1 Matt

2 Danny

3 Luke

4 Jessica

5 (Honorary) Misty

6 (Honorary) Frank

7 (Honorary) Claire

8 (Honorary) Foggy

9 (Honorary) Bobby Fisher

10 (Honorary) Karen

11 (Honorary) Ben

12 (Honorary) That one Russian guy who teamed up with Matt before dying

13 Stick.

edited 11th Apr '17 7:45:47 PM by SonOfSharknado

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#68562: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:41:35 PM

True fact: If you pause just right you can see Daredevil's baton is what actually shatters the Mjolnir in Thor Rangarok.

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#68563: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:49:20 PM

[up][up] I think that's a gross oversimplification of Tony's character.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#68564: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:56:10 PM

I guess they went looking for dad together. That's nice, Loki is at his most interesting when he's not being actively antagonistic.

I agree. I especially I like seeing Loki interact with other characters without being actively villainous, so I'm looking forward to his interactions with Dr. Strange and Banner.

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#68565: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:56:56 PM

Especially Banner, who once described Loki as a bag of cats.

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#68566: Apr 11th 2017 at 7:57:51 PM

How is Bobby Fischer an honorary Defender here? Does he do something important in the episodes I haven't seen yet?

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#68567: Apr 11th 2017 at 8:03:58 PM

If you'll notice, I was mostly padding it out to put Stick as far at the bottom as possible.

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#68568: Apr 11th 2017 at 8:07:29 PM

Darn, got my hopes up and expected Bobby to do something.

God damn you, Matt Murdock.

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#68569: Apr 11th 2017 at 8:08:11 PM

Honestly one of my pet peeves about CW was how the movie completely and utterly glossed over all of the crap that Wanda pulled in AOU.

It was all "oh why are you picking on poor Wanda you jerks." Umm movie, you do remember how she willingly worked with a psychotic robot, who was killing people? You do remember how she deliberately messed with The Hulk's mind and set him loose on a major city full of innocent people right? Any and all people who might have been killed or injured during all of that are HER responsibility. She's hardly some innocent victim, she's lucky that she's not in prison after all of that to begin with,

You want her to have redemption, cool go for it. But just because you ignore her past actions for the sake of your plot doesn't mean that said actions didn't happen, or that members of the audience have forgotten about them.

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#68570: Apr 11th 2017 at 8:09:51 PM

Ok, we've already time travelled back to 2015, let's not travel back to 2016 here.

But yeah, echoing something Tobias Drake had said, they just needed one line and it could've fixed it.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#68571: Apr 11th 2017 at 8:25:10 PM

All the merit ''Empire Strikes Back'm had is undone by it having a cliffhanger ending. Everyone agrees with that. It's why it's the least liked Star Wars movie.

...Eh?

I was under the impression that Return of the Jedi was the least liked Star Wars movie due to the Ewoks and the retreading of A New Hope's plot of destroying the Death Star...

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#68572: Apr 11th 2017 at 8:27:10 PM

[up] I take it that you're referring to the original trilogy?

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#68573: Apr 11th 2017 at 8:28:19 PM

[up][up]Might be a generational thing. You can thank Kevin Smith for that.

edited 11th Apr '17 8:28:29 PM by Unsung

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#68574: Apr 11th 2017 at 9:10:31 PM

"Honestly one of my pet peeves about CW was how the movie completely and utterly glossed over all of the crap that Wanda pulled in AOU. "

you forgot the fact she work with Hydra(the one who turn Bucky into the mother killer) and push tony mind into that frenzy, something AOU just suddenly forgot.

"But yeah, echoing something Tobias Drake had said, they just needed one line and it could've fixed it. "

kinda...no, doing that would drag atention to the fact sokovia was destroy because Tony and Bruce creation went of out control and that would pretty much wreck the entire story on itself, that is why the hulk rampage in south africa is skip.

in fact now that Wanda have create a mess twice in african countries, I will said T`chala would be wary of her if she ever come to wakanda....

Now about Ultron...the issue with is in the climax is like Loki, he stop being usefull in that moment what it matter is strenght and yet is strategy relies pretty much on "throw mooks at them and hope somehow that stick" which is like expecting the putties to actually beat the ranger or expecing the droid to actually beat the jedis, is just nonsense, mix that with Helicarrier ex machina taking away the only sense of threat and you just go the "avenger show off" time.

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#68575: Apr 11th 2017 at 9:23:47 PM

which is like expecting the putties to actually beat the rangers

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Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?

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