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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Honestly, I found Ultron much more interesting since he wasn't a giant physical threat. He's a much more complex character than you are making him out to be.
edited 11th Apr '17 1:37:34 PM by alliterator
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She was doing it before Ultron even showed up, and continued to do so while working with him, and the emphasis for the acts themselves is always put on her - hence why she insists its all her fault at the end.
She and him work together, and he's the Big Bad, but in the same way Vader and Palpatine are separate threats, or the Elite Mook and the Big Bad are separate threats, their arcs aren't the same.
edited 11th Apr '17 1:43:50 PM by KnownUnknown
A superhero film can survive without the Big Bad being a physical threat as long as there's bigger threats to fill the gap. In The Dark Knight, the Joker is rendered dangerous through his traps and wild unpredictability. In The Winter Soldier, Pierce has no combat skills, but a few tricks up his sleeve and the entire resources of SHIELD to back him up.
Ultron isn't exactly weak, but he doesn't come off as deadly either. In retrospect it's odd why he didn't turn to designs that would've made him a nightmare to handle, such as built-in guns or multiple limbs. As is, his tussles just come off as a kind of unruly Iron Man, not the "one hit away from death" that hacked-War Machine or the Winter Soldier threatened. And his army registers even less than the Chitauri.
edited 11th Apr '17 1:46:03 PM by Tuckerscreator
In fairness, Ultron did have one of his selves off to the periphery somewhere.
Unfortunately, Vision thought of that too.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersGiven how damaged it was, it looked less like "Ultron sent this one off as insurance" and more like "oops we missed one, just barely survived an exploding meteor".
But if Marvel really wanted to, it wouldn't be hard for them to retcon there being a survivor.
edited 11th Apr '17 1:47:58 PM by Tuckerscreator
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I never said he wasn't a complex character. He is; whether you like his complexity or not is something very subjective and not the issue right now.
What I mean is, that when push came to shove, Ultron didn't held up. He intended to break the Avengers, and he failed. He intended to outsmart them, and he FAILED. He stopped being an intellectual and emotional threat when he failed to be both. So, he went "fuck it, I'm going to go all Final Fantasy VII on these idiots". So, he built a machine to do just that. The point is, that his plan was reliant on only one thing: that he could push a damn button. I know he was waiting by the church to do just that, but when the Avengers threw him out of the place he lost. AT THAT MOMENT HE LOST. I mean, I know Ultron is cocky as hell and he thought that the Avengers couldn't pass him, but, what the writer didn't remember was that, for all the cockiness that Ultron shows, HE ISN'T STUPID. He should've said "Ok, these guys stole my new body from me. The ones who stole it weren't even the strong ones. Maybe I make a contingency plan?"
That's the problem. That if Ultron already showed that he wasn't smart enough to get the nuke codes, or to succeed in uploading himself to Vision, OR TO FORESEE THAT MAYBE HE WON'T BE ABLE TO STAY IN THE CHURCH, then he should at least be strong enough to reclaim the church by himself, or, for starters, to prevent the Avengers for getting too close in the first damn place.
I mean, his body is made of FREAKIN' VIBRANIUM.
DRAMATIC ALLCAPS.
edited 11th Apr '17 1:59:44 PM by ExplosiveLion
Let's just all agree that, while Ao U (and Ultron in particular) wasn't badly written, it was very lazily so.
Anyway...
So, Thor: Ragnarok? I said it before, but I say it again. Doesn't it look like learning from the DC movies' visuals?
edited 11th Apr '17 2:04:39 PM by ExplosiveLion
I actually don't agree...Ao U is a typical "wanting too much at once" case. The only thing which was badly written was the stupid romance.
Actually...it looks as if they put a Disney Animation team on the job. Or as if the director was really set on putting the concept art on screen exactly as it was.
I wonder...we got quite a lot concept art for Thor and Black Panther. I can't remember seeing quite as much for previous movies, except naturally Doctor Strange, for obvious reasons....
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He said it wasn't badly written, just lazy. So I think you actually do agree.
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I was thinking Mad Max for the costumes, something of GOTG's action pacing, soundtrack, and title aesthetics (at least in the trailer), and Moebius's colours on top of Jack Kirby's designs.
edited 11th Apr '17 2:26:47 PM by Unsung
A lot of people have said this about Thor's "YES!", but I love it. I love the way Hemsworth delivered it, especially. That's a "YES" that says a lot about how much crap Thor has gone through. It's not just a "this is awesome" shout. It's a "oh thank Odin, finally a freaking break!" shout.
I guess among the Avengers, while Tony is incessantly snarky, Thor is generally the biggest goofball.
edited 11th Apr '17 4:56:51 PM by KnownUnknown
"... not screams of the dead, of course. Wounded screams! And a great deal of complaining and tales of sprained deltoids..."
Rewatching the trailer, I didn't notice at first Loki's little Oh, Crap! reaction when Hulk shows up.
Also, the scene where Hel breaks Mjolnir seems to happen on Earth. Interesting...
I think Thor was just happy to see a friend.
On another note, In terms of the most outright heroic Avengers, I'm pretty sure it goes like this.
1A- Steve
1B- Thor
2- Vision
3- Sam
4- Rhodey
5- Bruce
6- Clint
7- Wanda
8- Romanov
9- Tony
edited 11th Apr '17 5:41:50 PM by SonOfSharknado
My various fanfics.

But that would be a cliffhanger and we all know cliffhangers are what's wrong with the entire world.