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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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The forum post uses the term 'fired', but she doesn't. I still always got the impression from interviews with her and the other actors that the decision was more mutual than that. If I'm wrong, though, by all means, point me at the moment where it became a more acrimonious parting of ways. I'd genuinely be curious.
edited 10th Apr '17 2:02:53 PM by Unsung
Ordinarily I love the idea of bashing Joss Whedon after Age of Ultron, but I get the feeling some of this is going a bit too far.
Of course, I've never seen his previous works aside from Firefly, it's possible he's fucked up in numerous ways that I'm unaware of.
edited 10th Apr '17 2:05:11 PM by AdricDePsycho
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?I think that article Karkat posted earlier does a pretty good job of briefly summing up his hangups. He's not necessarily a bad guy, but he's got a type: kickass, waifish, vulnerable. Which isn't without its own unfortunate implications regarding portrayals of women, because it becomes a bit one-note.
Yeah, that interview doesn't actually say she was fired, and it doesn't even mention her pregnancy. It's a stretch to call that proof that she was fired for getting pregnant.
Especially since she's like, "I would love to come back to the show and finish out my character's arc," and then she did. People who get fired don't usually get brought back.
edited 10th Apr '17 2:15:29 PM by TobiasDrake
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Joss didn't even tell her that she was going to be removed from the show prior to filming the fifth season. I'm just saying, there's a difference between being written out of the show and getting removed without even being told. That screams "fired" to me.
edited 10th Apr '17 2:23:45 PM by higherbrainpattern
Age of Ultron was pretty mediocre if not terrible, but people have a tendency to subject Joss Whedon to the real life equivalent of Ron the Death Eater i.e. exaggerating his genuine faults to puppy kicking or reading in sinister motivationsnote for the sake of a subjective grudge. When my takeaway from AOU is that he's simply not that good of a writer or director, or that he's a Fair for Its Day liberal still trapped in the 90s, not that he's a Heteronormative Crusader Writer on Board who actually hates women and wants them to Stay in the Kitchen.
As far as other criticisms go, he wanted to but thankfully decided against having Inara on Firefly gangraped for shock value, some people don't like his portrayal of Gina Washburn for being too masculine because it's femininity-shaming in an inverse of Real Women Never Wear Dresses, or various criticisms on his portrayal of rape in The Dollhouse, which I've never seen so I can't judge for sure but it should be acknowledged that the show went through a ton of Executive Meddling and some of the criticism is centered around the fact that the show featured rape at all.
edited 10th Apr '17 2:39:43 PM by AlleyOop
@higherbrainpattern She says she was stunned, but I thought that was more about having the baby than about leaving the show. Like, she doesn't really sound all that disappointed, more diplomatic— yeah, it was great working here, I'm gonna miss all my coworkers, I'd be happy to come back and finish out my character's arc— but y'know, I have a child now, and I'm way more psyched about that.
I don't know, it just seems weird that they'd write a whole season around finding a way to incorporate her pregnancy into the show and then unceremoniously let her go, especially with her being one of the characters who'd been around from the very start, who was that snarky says-what-she-thinks archetype that Whedon loves, and who was the show's primary love interest. I can't see them letting all that slide unless there's more to this. Her wanting to leave and spend time with her newborn son just seemed like a plausible, reasonable explanation.
That being said, Whedon does tend to involve his old casts in his new projects, and Carpenter has never come back, so maybe they did have some kind of falling out, who knows.
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edited 10th Apr '17 2:52:11 PM by Unsung
Thor: Ragnarok looks fun as hell. Thor's Big "YES!" caught me so off-guard in the best way.
It's funny, Thor's Big "YES!" mirrored mine for the whole trailer (especially when he put the helmet on).
Things are rarely cut and dry, it sounds like Carpenter was leaning towards reduced time while still remaining a cast member and they couldn't make it work so they let her go. A number of other actors on other shows have made that work, especially in an ensemble cast, so it sounds like bad timing overall.
As for Ragnarok, I was digging the trailer up until the 80's laser graphics and "We know each other through work" joke. It's a hilarious joke but the tone is all over the place. With a subtitle of Ragnarok you would think it would be a bit more grandiose and desperate, maybe that will be later in the movie. Certainly, if Hela is able to break Mjolnir like that she has to be something more cosmic in origin.

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