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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#68351: Apr 10th 2017 at 10:01:31 AM

Oh my God. This movie looks like it's going to be amazing!

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#68352: Apr 10th 2017 at 10:03:59 AM

That looked so cool, even if it looked like a Guardians of the Galaxy trailer instead of a Thor trailer.

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#68353: Apr 10th 2017 at 10:18:02 AM

Queen Cate looks amazing (also THAT'S how you sell a villain as a total badass). Tessa Thompson looks great to, and Jeff Goldblum doing his Jeff Goldblum thing, not complaining.

And Led Zeppelin makes everything better.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#68355: Apr 10th 2017 at 10:26:05 AM

Huh, was not expecting that as the explanation for why he didn't Mjilnor in that mag cover.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#68356: Apr 10th 2017 at 10:26:37 AM

Around the middle of the vid, are those the classic Valkyries? I can forgive Tessa Thompson Valk's costume being as bland as it is if that's the case.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#68357: Apr 10th 2017 at 10:31:55 AM

I wish that someone takes the yeaaaaaah tone from the song and makes a score for the movie out of it, even if it were totally out of the left field compared to the previous scores.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#68358: Apr 10th 2017 at 10:37:24 AM

Is it just me or are the fonts very, VERY evocative of the 80's?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#68359: Apr 10th 2017 at 10:46:23 AM

I think they're trying to evoke the spirit of Jack Kirby in general. For example the people and that wall behind the Grandmaster and Loki are very much in his style.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#68360: Apr 10th 2017 at 11:03:20 AM

There's a shot from Skurge firing two rifles midway through that's also straight-up lifted from Simson's run.

edited 10th Apr '17 11:03:55 AM by Gaon

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#68362: Apr 10th 2017 at 11:21:45 AM

Question. Is Hela still Loki's daugther in the MCU?

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#68363: Apr 10th 2017 at 11:23:36 AM

Thor's Big "YES!" caught me off-guard.

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#68364: Apr 10th 2017 at 11:26:45 AM

The font looks like an 80s videogame

So I hope there's a retro videogame tie in

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#68365: Apr 10th 2017 at 11:32:53 AM

[up][up] Me too...I was expecting a "oh sh..." Made it double funny, because I was so surprised.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#68366: Apr 10th 2017 at 11:37:57 AM

It feels like they're properly tapping into Thor's potential as the fun Boisterous Bruiser this time. Whedon's attempts kinda felt one-note and tryhard in the scheme of things, but between the Daryl shorts and the teaser they're actually landing.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#68367: Apr 10th 2017 at 11:39:39 AM

Given their respective ages, it wouldn't totally surprise me if they "flipped the script" here and made Hela Loki's biological mother instead.

I mean they do kind of look alike (especially the hair and face), and they have somewhat similar fashion sense.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#68368: Apr 10th 2017 at 11:41:21 AM

In Whedon's Avengers, Thor was too far over the line from youthful naivete into just...dumb. Funny at times, but out of character, based on what we see of him in his own movies.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#68369: Apr 10th 2017 at 11:42:11 AM

Also it would crush the hearts of the Loki fangirls if they found out he already mated with someone in the past evil grin

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#68370: Apr 10th 2017 at 11:48:47 AM

[up][up] Actually, that reminds me of an interesting post I saw on Tumblr that discusses how he writes Natasha (and to a lesser extent, Steve and Tony) somewhat out of character compared to the other movies.

Granted, it's more from a feminist perspective, but I still find it interesting.

Here it is, for those who are interested.

Oh God! Natural light!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#68371: Apr 10th 2017 at 12:07:52 PM

The article you just linked is one of the good ones in this regard, but I think a lot of it just comes down a big old case of Depending on the Writer that's particularly noticeable in Whedon's case because of his particular style and "quirks". Also I find it strange a lot of people accuse him of writing Natasha out of character for traits he codified in the first place with the first Avengers movie, as well as complaining about him having a grudge sabotaging Clintasha out of spite against other writers when he was the one who originated Clintasha Ship Tease in the first place.

I don't know if he's necessarily writing her out of character so much as her having evolved in the hands of other writers since then and Whedon treating those future developments as a case of Fanon Discontinuity which is in character with his original vision of her, which is a much more legitimate complaint. Like, don't get me wrong, there is a lot of stuff to complain about with Whedon but sometimes it sounds like attacking the egg for laying the chicken, and a lot of the time it's just inarticulate Fan Dumb and angry shippers being salty and relying on The Discourse to legitimize opinions post hoc rather than the other way around.

To this day tons of people are still spitting on him and accusing him of being an honest-to-goodness rightwinger and rejecting his anti-Trump GOTV video as insincere and a slap in the face because of what he did to Clintasha. Christ on a fucking cracker.

edited 10th Apr '17 12:17:43 PM by AlleyOop

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#68372: Apr 10th 2017 at 12:14:55 PM

I can understand being annoyed by people taking your idea and running in a different direction with it, but you can't disregard those changes in a collaborative work like this. The experiment of the MCU falls apart if those involved can't commit to the grand vision of a single seamless universe.

Not that it's really seamless, but hey, they're trying.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#68373: Apr 10th 2017 at 12:19:41 PM

I actually felt that the Natasha/Bruce relationship didn't work mostly because of the Hulk nearly killing Natasha in The Avengers. So he was mostly inconsistent with himself. Apparently because he felt that there was a spark between those two actors. But they were both given a disservice with this storyline.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#68374: Apr 10th 2017 at 12:21:14 PM

One has to give it to Marvel, though: They have managed to be more consistent with both the Movies and the TV shows so far than some TV shows mange in their second season.

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Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#68375: Apr 10th 2017 at 12:22:05 PM

Why didn't they use Immigrant Song by Led Zeppelin sooner? It's the perfect Viking song for crying out loud.

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