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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#68276: Apr 8th 2017 at 11:23:06 AM

  • Murdock: I will literally beat you with my eyes closed.

edited 8th Apr '17 11:23:14 AM by Gaon

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#68277: Apr 8th 2017 at 12:09:33 PM

I don't know if Matt could read poker cards.

He can "read" written notes and some printed ink thanks to the imprints left in the paper, but a laminated card might be too smooth a surface to read.

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#68278: Apr 8th 2017 at 12:20:19 PM

He might be able to sense the ink through the lamination, through scent or touch, but I don't know.

As for Spidey not outwitting Kingpin— poker's not only a game of skill. You can play as smart as you want, but unless you cheat, eventually some hands are going to come down to luck. And yet it's not luck alone that lets Spider-Man win— it's audacity. It's the courage to bet when it's not a sure thing. It's about not backing down even if you might very well lose everything. That's the metaphor here.

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#68279: Apr 8th 2017 at 12:25:02 PM

Four of a kind is pretty f*cking close to a sure thing. Bluffing with a losing hand is audacity. Betting with a nigh-unbeatable one is just letting the math do its job.

Those games we see in fiction a lot where it's like, "Aha! Four of a kind!" "Ahaha, Straight Flush!" "Ahahaha, ROYAL FLUSH, motherf*ckers!" basically never happen. If you've got a four of a kind, it's extremely unlikely that anyone else at the table's going to beat you.

Full house is typically as good as hands get. Anything above that and you're basically guaranteed the win, which means your job becomes bluffing down so that others don't realize how powerful your hand is. Which we should have seen Spidey doing. That's where the whole, "Aha!" moment could have come in.

But we don't. We're never given the impression that Spidey actually did something to lead Fisk to assume he simply had Two Pair. We just see Fisk make the assumption and be wrong.

edited 8th Apr '17 12:29:05 PM by TobiasDrake

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#68280: Apr 8th 2017 at 12:28:46 PM

The Magic Poker Equation and whatnot.

I was never fond of poker. Partially because I suck at it.

I always preferred chess.

Fisk and Murdock playing a high stakes game of chess suits their characters well, and it's a game DD wouldn't have a supernatural advantage over Fisk.

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#68281: Apr 8th 2017 at 12:29:43 PM

Would spider-sense work for sensing whether he's about to lose a lot of money?

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#68282: Apr 8th 2017 at 12:31:03 PM

I feel like Murdock's blindness would be even more of a factor in chess than in poker. He's hyperaware, not hyperintelligent. There exist people who are such great masters of the game that they can play entirely off a mental picture of the board, but we've never been given an indication that super-IQ is one of Matt's powers.

And as funny as it would be to watch Matt constantly manhandle the board, I just don't think that would work well.

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#68283: Apr 8th 2017 at 12:35:29 PM

> Would spider-sense work for sensing whether he's about to lose a lot of money?

Spider sense only works when he's about to be attacked so losing a lot of money isn't really the same thing,although I suppose for a humorous gag you could say it was an attack on his wallet

edited 8th Apr '17 12:36:18 PM by Ultimatum

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#68284: Apr 8th 2017 at 12:35:58 PM

But Matt would be able to "see" the board and the pieces. If nothing else, his sonar can detect their shapes and positions in the board.

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#68285: Apr 8th 2017 at 12:38:49 PM

Does his radar pick up silent, stationary objects? I thought he was at least somewhat dependant on movement.

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#68286: Apr 8th 2017 at 12:43:16 PM

I think if he didn't he'd constantly be walking against walls.

As far as I'm aware, real life "sonars" some blind people have developed do detect stationary objects. All they need is sound, like a clicking sound (so they can hear that sound reverberating from the walls/chesspieces/chesbsoard/what have you).

Even if Matt's sonar was low-key enough to require a clicking sound to function (which it clearly doesn't), there's the chess clock, which would make the noise required for a sonar to map the environment.

edited 8th Apr '17 12:43:26 PM by Gaon

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#68287: Apr 8th 2017 at 12:53:22 PM

I mean bats can usually avoid flying into trees, or rocks, or whatever even at night. I assume that Matt's radar sense works in a somewhat similar way.

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#68288: Apr 8th 2017 at 12:59:37 PM

Bats also aren't actually blind, though.

But yeah, Matt would be able to percieve a stationary chessboard. Even if it were dead silent, he could probably sense the shifting of air contorting around the pieces, or some crazy shit like that. He's crazy good.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#68289: Apr 8th 2017 at 1:20:50 PM

I mean, people have way more than just five senses anyway and if those senses for Matt are also increased, there's not much he can't see. I mean, he's been shown able to "see" through doors and down five floors and so on. Heck, there's even human echolocation, too.

edited 8th Apr '17 1:21:39 PM by alliterator

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#68290: Apr 8th 2017 at 3:44:21 PM

Matt actually talks about how you "have to think of it as more than five senses" when he's explaining his world to Claire, I think.

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#68291: Apr 8th 2017 at 3:52:11 PM

There's a lot of senses people don't even know they have. Balance. Proprioception. As an extension of touch, you can feel vibrations in the air, air pressure in a room. I assume the latter two are important in terms of the whole 'world on fire' thing', along with being able to read scents on objects, as well as smelling the objects themselves.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#68292: Apr 8th 2017 at 6:07:01 PM

Generally speaking, when people talk about senses, they're referring to external senses, not internal ones like balance or hunger.

Though it would be kinda hilarious if Matt revealed he has a super-heightened sense of hunger, and can tell you exactly how much food he can eat before becoming full.

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#68293: Apr 8th 2017 at 7:07:19 PM

Being able to sense when others are hungry would be an invaluable superpower.

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#68294: Apr 8th 2017 at 9:27:35 PM

I knew a guy who liked to say his superpower was W-Ray Vision, which allowed him to see the exterior of objects he was looking at.

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#68295: Apr 8th 2017 at 9:30:03 PM

Look, all I want is for Matt to make a bunch of blind jokes, just like Toph.

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#68296: Apr 8th 2017 at 9:30:27 PM

I have X-Ray vision which makes me see through everything.

All I see is an endless black void.

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#68297: Apr 8th 2017 at 10:05:42 PM

I can talk to animals, but they can't understand me.

I can fly, but not for very long.

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#68298: Apr 8th 2017 at 10:11:57 PM

I can communicate with a single type of animal called Homo sapiens

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#68299: Apr 8th 2017 at 10:14:18 PM

I can do relatively semi-complex math equations, using only a common piece of paper.

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#68300: Apr 8th 2017 at 10:23:21 PM

So you're saying you can conjure up graphite with the power of your mind alone?


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