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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#68251: Apr 7th 2017 at 10:02:31 PM

My hypothetical episode guide for a Moon Knight TV show. The second episode would be like the Daredevil hallway fight scene but for the entire episode. Hire me, Marvel.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#68252: Apr 7th 2017 at 10:20:25 PM

The other day I noticed someone was showing Batman v. Superman, and tuned in hoping to catch the big fight. I didn't; I was just in time to see Lois get kidnapped by Anatoli Knyazev. What does that have to do with the MCU? Well, when he turned to face the camera I had a Hey,It'sThatGuy moment. I didn't know he was played by Callan Mulvey, who also played Jack Rollins in Captain America: the Winter Soldier. That's what it has to do with the MCU.

Then I just shook my head when i realized this man has now played a henchman in two different comic book movies across two different companies (Marvel and DC) and died in both. It makes me wonder if he's a victim of typecasting, or just enjoys these kinds of rolls?

edited 7th Apr '17 10:21:09 PM by MedusaStone

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#68253: Apr 7th 2017 at 10:22:52 PM

Rollins is odd in that he is the Dragon to Rumlow, who is himself the Dragon to the Winter Soldier, who is himself the Dragon to Pierce. It's dragons all the way down...

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#68254: Apr 7th 2017 at 11:34:36 PM

Matt personally wrote the Darkhold!!!!

Yeah, the use of music in Luke Cage is stellar.

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#68255: Apr 8th 2017 at 5:04:53 AM

Also...seriously, the fuck is a Black Sky? Now they apparently worship whatever the fuck it is? I already got spoiled on Elektra being one but, like, the fuck does it mean? Uber violent indestructible child soldier or some shit? Stick, just fucking explain shit, for god's sake.
[lol] I almost want to print this out and put it up on my wall as a reminder against muddled storytelling. Because seriously, screw that entire plotline. Season 1 is basically one of my favourite pieces of superhero media, despite some issues... but then we get this nonsense.

Matt probably killed Batman's parents, let's be honest with ourselves.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#68256: Apr 8th 2017 at 5:27:46 AM

And it is double disappointing because it started so strong and then ended up with...this....

Matt brainwashed Bucky.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#68257: Apr 8th 2017 at 6:30:18 AM

Matt made X-Men Origins Wolverine and got Agent Carter cancelled. He's also why Marvel hasn't gotten the Fantastic Four and X-Men rights back.

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#68258: Apr 8th 2017 at 7:18:04 AM

Matt didn't just make the movie. He also personally sewed Deadpool's mouth shut.

edited 8th Apr '17 7:18:19 AM by TobiasDrake

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#68259: Apr 8th 2017 at 7:27:07 AM

That's the most believable one yet!

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#68260: Apr 8th 2017 at 7:35:50 AM

Naturally, Wade had to rectify this grave injustice. And for his crimes, Matt was given Daredevil season 2.

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#68261: Apr 8th 2017 at 9:05:16 AM

@Pseudopartition

Go ahead mate, you have my permission.

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#68262: Apr 8th 2017 at 9:26:15 AM

It's quite amazing that, after being in two different shows centered around two different characters, I still don't give a crap about this version of The Hand. They're just so generic and boring.

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#68263: Apr 8th 2017 at 10:02:17 AM

OK, somebody clarify this for me some: in Jessica Jones, there was that yellow flashdrive that had footage of the experiments that made Kilgrave into the villain we all know and hate. It shows up again in Luke Cage after Luke busts out of Seagate and he gives it to Reva, I'm assuming he had it to expose all the shady stuff going on in there. I'm fairly certain I'd forgotten some details in the middle, but I'm guessing some of that shady stuff included the experiments that turned young Kevin Thompson into Kilgrave, correct?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#68264: Apr 8th 2017 at 10:18:16 AM

Anyone remember that issue of Spider-Man where a bunch of heroes are playing poker, and then Kingpin crashes the game with intention of humiliating all of them?

I've been thinking about how much I want to see that adapted somewhere in the MCU. If they were still doing Marvel One Shots, it would be a perfect for it.

The best place to see it now is probably in the Netflix shows, given that it's Fisk - and the Defenders are the best characters we've got for the "playing Poker with chump change just to shoot the breeze" set-up. They would obviously need to pick someone else to have the final burn on Kingpin besides Spidey, though. Probably Matt.

Though... it's a pipe dream, but I'd really love to see something like that as a tiny but cool way to show the MCU together. Put a few characters from the tv shows and movies into a room (*coughSpideycough*) and have them let loose. Maybe use a different villain than Fisk (not that the MCU has very many that work that idea as well - maybe Loki?) and just have some fun.

But yeah, probably not going to happen.

edited 8th Apr '17 10:19:14 AM by KnownUnknown

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#68265: Apr 8th 2017 at 10:25:19 AM

I don't know, there's probably a way to do a poker showdown between Murdock and Fisk once the latter gets out of prison, presumably in season three or four.

Getting anyone else there would be the challenge.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#68266: Apr 8th 2017 at 10:45:45 AM

If I remember correctly the flashdrive was something Reva stole and then hid. Kilgrave somehow knew about it and made Jessica recovering it, killing Reva in the process. He mostly wanted it because the flashdrive also has data about him. Jessica eventually gave the thing to Luke. But apparently you need some code to even access the data so who knows what else is there.

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#68267: Apr 8th 2017 at 10:48:31 AM

Also, if they do adapt that issue for Murdock and Fisk, I hope they make it more of a psychological showdown. Spidey's maniacal cackle felt unearned. He didn't do anything that the audience could see. I was waiting for the, "Here's where you f*cked yourself," bit from Spidey, but it never came. Fisk was simply wrong.

Rather than Spidey defeating Fisk in a game of wits, it just comes off like Fisk outsmarted himself and Spidey profited by chance.

edited 8th Apr '17 10:49:03 AM by TobiasDrake

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#68268: Apr 8th 2017 at 10:54:04 AM

Of course DD has a unnatural advantage in a poker game because he can sense your heartbeats and is a Living Lie Detector. He knows when you're bluffing.

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#68269: Apr 8th 2017 at 10:57:58 AM

Counterpoint: he's blind.

I suppose if his senses are heightened enough he might be able to sense what's printed on the cards some other way, but...

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#68270: Apr 8th 2017 at 11:01:24 AM

He can feel what's printed on the cards with his fingertips, usually. We know in the show he can because he reads Fisk's map like this in the first season, but it doesn't seem like a very good method of reading things as it's a lot slower.

edited 8th Apr '17 11:01:50 AM by Gaon

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#68271: Apr 8th 2017 at 11:03:53 AM

[up][up][up] I think he's just happy to have defeated Fisk after Fisk probably spent the whole night prattling on about how much more clever he was than all of them. Plus, any opportunity to take Wilson Fisk's money and, in general, to fuck over a guy who lords himself as being untouchable.

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#68272: Apr 8th 2017 at 11:08:39 AM

Ya know, thinking it over some: Cottonmouth is pretty much Fisk but if he were a smaller fish in a much bigger pond. Fisk was top dog in Hell's Kitchen, but it's clear that Cottonmouth, for all his bluster, isn't the top dog of Harlem. Luke Cage pretty much wrecks his criminal enterprise easily in the span of a few episodes, but it took Daredevil an entire season to finally bring down Fisk (even if some of it was largely career suicide). Fisk was able to make it look like Daredevil was the real enemy, but Cottonmouth couldn't do that to Luke. Hell, Cottonmouth is obviously below Diamondback on the criminal totem pole.

At the same time, he's still interesting to behold. Mahershala Ali is a great actor, probably one of the best actors on a Marvel television production, and he makes the role work. I feel like Cottonmouth wouldn't be nearly as good or memorable if Ali hadn't been cast.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#68273: Apr 8th 2017 at 11:16:26 AM

I love the idea of Fisk playing Matt in cards. Perfectly civil, psychological warfare.

But is this before or after Matt hires Ben Kingsley to play The Mandarin?

[up]Ali deserved every bit of that Oscar dammit.

edited 8th Apr '17 11:16:51 AM by Beatman1

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#68274: Apr 8th 2017 at 11:19:12 AM

I still need to see Moonlight, shit. It's a bit jarring seeing him in Luke Cage after having watched Hidden Figures a while back. His character there was (mostly) charming and nice.

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#68275: Apr 8th 2017 at 11:19:50 AM

  • Fisk: (smugly) Do you need me to read the flop to you, Mr. Murdock?
  • Murdock: (fingers the cards) I'll manage.

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