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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#68051: Apr 5th 2017 at 6:34:12 PM

So he's Matt Murdock in season two of Daredevil?

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#68052: Apr 5th 2017 at 6:37:21 PM

I guess there is some overlap

Although I don't think Netflix Matt has driven a woman crazy yet

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#68053: Apr 5th 2017 at 6:37:50 PM

I don't want to see any Goblins for a long time.

Kraven and Chameleon would make a good duo. Wouldn't mind seeing Doc Ock again, though it'd be hard to trump Alfred Molina's portrayal.

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#68054: Apr 5th 2017 at 6:42:17 PM

Personally I'd rather keep Doctor Octopus out for a bit. I don't want them to repeat any of the villains from the Raimi trilogy or the Amazing Spider-Man movies (except maybe Electro and Venom so they can do both of them justice).

What was the general opinion of Lizard in the first Amazing Spider-Man, by the way? I thought they did an alright job with him. Not the best villain portrayed in the movies, but not a complete butchering of the character.

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#68055: Apr 5th 2017 at 6:48:25 PM

He suffered some motive decay and I wish he had a snout and a lab coat but I liked him as a villain

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#68056: Apr 5th 2017 at 6:51:02 PM

I liked him too. I felt like he could use some work but for the most part was an amazing portrayal.

I don't want all the goblins to f*ck off. Just the Green ones. I would love to see them adapt the secret identity mystery plot of the Hobgoblin.

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#68057: Apr 5th 2017 at 6:54:10 PM

Oh god, Hobgoblin would be such a good addition. Do the entire mystery arc with him. Hell, maybe use Ned Leeds and have him framed as the Hobgoblin like in the comics.

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#68058: Apr 5th 2017 at 6:55:29 PM

It would be interesting for a superhero movie dip into the whodunnit genre I guess

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#68059: Apr 5th 2017 at 6:57:01 PM

Maybe call it Spider-Man: Noir?

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#68060: Apr 5th 2017 at 7:08:47 PM

It'd be ruined by the press release of the cast during production

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#68061: Apr 5th 2017 at 7:10:38 PM

Not necessarily, just keep quiet about it and hide the details. I mean, they were able to hide Samuel L. Jackson being in Iron Man, they can probably hide this.

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#68062: Apr 5th 2017 at 7:11:15 PM

If I was doing it, I'd cast every character who's ever been the Hobgoblin to be in the film. And during press releases and cast interviews and shit, I'd have all of them talk as though their character was the Hobgoblin.

edited 5th Apr '17 7:11:35 PM by TobiasDrake

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#68063: Apr 5th 2017 at 7:11:57 PM

It's totally Lefty Donovan

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#68064: Apr 5th 2017 at 7:12:29 PM

Maybe do what they did for The Usual Suspects and make them all think they're the real Hobgoblin? Apparently a lot of the actors in The Usual Suspects all thought they were Keyzer Soze, may as well do something similar.

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#68065: Apr 5th 2017 at 7:14:49 PM

I guess it wouldn't be Kingsley

Wouldn't be a surprise if it was

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#68066: Apr 5th 2017 at 7:15:54 PM

Yeah, I'd think they'd go for a different twist this time.

Maybe do something similar to Batman: Mask of the Phantasm and have multiple people all as Hobgoblin?

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#68067: Apr 5th 2017 at 7:18:12 PM

  • Spidey: But you had to be Kingsley! I was sure of it!
  • Hobgoblin: Maybe the true Hobgoblin was within you all along!
  • Spidey: (voice over) What does that mean? Was that a clue? Is he saying I could be the Hobgoblin? That maybe this is all happening in my mind?
  • Spidey: Wait, no, I was in class when the first bombing happened. ...hey, where did he go?
  • Hobgoblin: (in the distance) WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP!

edited 5th Apr '17 7:18:34 PM by TobiasDrake

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#68068: Apr 5th 2017 at 7:19:10 PM

I knew it, The Hobgoblin was Jerome Horwitz all along!

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#68069: Apr 5th 2017 at 7:20:59 PM

[up][up]Spider-Man ate Hobgoblin?

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#68070: Apr 5th 2017 at 7:48:38 PM

If they ever bring in Scorpion, I think they should use him similar to Batroc in Winter Soldier and have him as an opening villain. Maybe give him a get up similar to Shocker where it looks homemade and cheap.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#68071: Apr 5th 2017 at 7:50:48 PM

I don't know why, but I feel like adapting the Clone Saga for the Spidey movies could be a potentially really good idea if done well. I dunno why I started thinking that, but I stand by it.

edited 5th Apr '17 7:53:11 PM by higherbrainpattern

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#68072: Apr 5th 2017 at 8:07:15 PM

I fully endorse Donald Glover to be the Hypno-Hustler.

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#68073: Apr 5th 2017 at 8:09:54 PM

Couple of thoughts I had:

Not sure where I saw this, but somewhere (maybe io9?) someone suggested Pedro Pascal for Kraven, which I could definitely see and they also brought up how the character could be introduced by name-dropping Wakanda. And along similar lines, I could see his outfit being glossed as along similar lines to the Black Panther costume and having a similar function of heightening a preexisting Charles Atlas Superpower. I also had this idea for an introductory scene where Kraven is a game warden and is angered by some rich tourist showing disrespect and hunting in a way that's both cruel and involves no sport. And then after giving them five minutes to get out, he'd hunt them.

I also definitely think Norman Osborn should be introduced fairly early on with an increasing role, and I think it would fit in with the larger story, as basically Osborn fills the gaps left by Tony- manufacturing arms and later on being the Shoulder Devil to Tony's Shoulder Angel in terms of .the Sokovia Accords.

Also, while the Raimi movies had well-done, sympathetic iterations of Osborn/the Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus, I'd like to see a film version where they are total dicks, in line with their more recent comic characterizations.

Also, I'd like to see Mysterio, using Spectacular as a guide, where he's more on the Harmless Villain side and is basically an evil LARP-er. What's cool about that version, as well as the show's Green Goblin, is that they get at how quipping is practically one of Peter's superpowers, because Mysterio pretends to be an easily outraged Silver Age villain, but it's just acting and the Green Goblin quips back/out-quips Peter. And tied to that, there's this element that like Peter, they feel freer to fool around and let things out when wearing a mask.

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#68074: Apr 5th 2017 at 8:13:01 PM

Hmm...Pedro Pascal could probably rock Kraven, not gonna lie. The dude already has the mustache.

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#68075: Apr 5th 2017 at 8:19:41 PM

I thought Lizard as a villain was fantastic in The Amazing Spider Man. More complex than some of the other villains, espcially the fact that Connors tested the serum on himself to spare other people, and the first time he turned into the Lizard, it was also to spare other people from being experimented on. Connors was a genuinely good person before the alternate personality took over, and he turned back into being one after it wore off.


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