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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KingNomarch Since: Oct, 2015
#68001: Apr 5th 2017 at 12:45:44 PM

Inhumans synopsis[1], looks like there won't be a lot of Attilan seen.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#68002: Apr 5th 2017 at 12:49:32 PM

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Sounds interesting and well thought out, although kind of funny to once again make Tony Stark a character's nemesis.

I liked the mention of redesigning the costume so that Vulture didn't look like an off-model Falcon.

Also kind of clever in terms of explaining Shocker's gauntlets, because while in some versions (i.e. the 90's animated series), the Shocker shoots electric shocks, I think that he's more accurately supposed to shoot shockwaves (at least that's the case in the Spectacular cartoon as well as Superior Foes). And here, they split the difference by having the gauntlets be based on a shockwave kind of device used by Crossbones but with electric shocks added on to it.

edited 5th Apr '17 12:50:40 PM by Hodor2

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#68003: Apr 5th 2017 at 1:25:26 PM

Sounds interesting and well thought out, although kind of funny to once again make Tony Stark a character's nemesis.

That's because he's to blame for everything. He's perfect.

There's no one better to blame than Tony Stark.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#68004: Apr 5th 2017 at 1:33:06 PM

It's so funny that Tony Stark is apparently turning into the Oliver Queen of the MCU, at least for characters that hate him. tongue

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#68005: Apr 5th 2017 at 1:39:41 PM

Besides mercenary characters being cool, I wish the MCU has the Ghost, since his MO basically comes down to periodic attempts to murder Tony Stark in between being an anti-heroic or anti-villainous Boxed Crook.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#68006: Apr 5th 2017 at 1:41:52 PM

[up]Well it seems that everything's gone wrong since Tony Stark came along.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#68007: Apr 5th 2017 at 1:54:34 PM

Someone had the very interesting theory that Zendaya's character may be the Vulture's daughter. He's mentioned as having a family in the movie and Vulture actually had a half-black daughter in the comics (she's just extremely obscure).

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#68008: Apr 5th 2017 at 1:58:17 PM

Hmm. Might be an interesting twist if it turns out to be true.

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#68009: Apr 5th 2017 at 2:25:19 PM

The Shocker's shtick isn't really supposed to be electric shocks or shock waves (though that is a useful side effect), but that he's a living vibrator (and you can see why that wasn't an acceptable supervillain name) except turned up to powerfully violent extremes. His gauntlets vibrate really hard, hard enough that it feels like an electric shock, similar to joy buzzers, allowing him to launch people with casual touches and shoot shockwaves.

As a side note, the crisscross pattern on his outfit isn't supposed to look cool and sleek. He's literally wearing a quilt, to blunt the vibrations in his gauntlets.

edited 5th Apr '17 2:27:13 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#68010: Apr 5th 2017 at 2:44:51 PM

[up] That.

The next time you catch yourself sarcastically thinking that Shocker looks like he's wearing a sofa, don't pat yourself on the back for your clever, clever joke that no one's ever come up with before because he actually is.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#68011: Apr 5th 2017 at 3:02:36 PM

Spider-Man himself has long since beaten you to the punchline.

I like to think of it as more like an oven mitt, like he's the Arby's mascot. And I'm sure Spidey's already said something to that effect, too.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#68012: Apr 5th 2017 at 3:14:41 PM

Folks, none of that about Shocker matters.

All it matters is if Spider-Man will shout this at him:

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#68013: Apr 5th 2017 at 3:15:02 PM

Why Spider-Man's MCU movies won't reuse villains from the previous Spider-Man movies.

So while we can forget about about the Green Goblin (and I guess by extension, the Osborn family), Electro, and other villains we've seen already, we can at least be excited at the possibility of seeing the likes of Kraven, Hobgoblin, and Mysterio.

edited 5th Apr '17 3:21:03 PM by TargetmasterJoe

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#68014: Apr 5th 2017 at 3:58:41 PM

I just want a proper Venom in a film and a lead in to Carnage. I don't think that's too much to ask. Well, I mean it is for Sony.

edited 5th Apr '17 3:58:56 PM by LordVatek

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#68015: Apr 5th 2017 at 4:07:46 PM

I want a Black Suit trilogy.

  1. Spider-Man obtains the symbiote and wears it for the bulk of the film. It's mostly a good thing. It enhances his powers and is awesome. The plot centers around a different villain. Eddie Brock is around.
  2. Spider-Man wrestles with the symbiote, discovers its flaws, and discards it in the classic church belltower scene. The symbiote and Brock find each other, become Venom, and set out to wreak havoc on Peter's life. Peter defeats Venom and separates Brock from the symbiote, but it slips away. Brock is put in prison.
  3. The symbiote finds Brock in his cell which he shares with Cletus Kasady. Brock and symbiote bond and come back at Spidey for revenge, with Eddie not realizing that it left its spawn for Kasady. Kasady becomes Carnage, Spidey and Venom have to team up to bring Carnage down.

But that might just be me.

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#68016: Apr 5th 2017 at 4:12:07 PM

That'd make a killer TV show arc, not gonna lie.

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#68017: Apr 5th 2017 at 4:12:39 PM

In fact that was a TV arc.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#68018: Apr 5th 2017 at 4:13:23 PM

Cartoon show as I recall

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#68019: Apr 5th 2017 at 4:19:18 PM

I'd like a Venom symbiote that is somewhat less than goopy space satan

Where there's an element of tragedy brought on by fundamental inability to effectively communicate

The symbiote loses what little complexity it has when it's just a parasite out to take over Peter's life instead of goo lost in a world it never made

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#68020: Apr 5th 2017 at 4:34:48 PM

I appreciate them trying to do something different. I will maintain until the day I die it was a horrendously stupid decision for Sony to jump back into the Goblin well again so soon.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#68021: Apr 5th 2017 at 4:39:28 PM

There are people who seriously think otherwise?

Anyway the new info about the Vulture sounds pretty cool, even if it seems a bit of a stretch that he was also able to get technology across all the Avengers' adventures, even the Dark Elves'.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#68022: Apr 5th 2017 at 4:47:41 PM

The more I think about it, the more firm I am in my opinion that Spider-Man works better in a TV format long term. In movies, you either have to choose one major villain per film in order to prevent bloat but his rogues gallery is too large and beloved for that and we've seen it fall into the same trap twice. Plus, as was said, Venom takes at least two movies to properly do, not including Carnage.

edited 5th Apr '17 4:48:52 PM by LordVatek

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#68023: Apr 5th 2017 at 4:49:40 PM

Spider-Man stands in the same issue as Ghost Rider in the sense of working better in a tv format but also being too expensive for one.

This is why the 90's Spider-Man cartoon is the finest piece of Spider-Man related media in the long history of our world.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#68024: Apr 5th 2017 at 4:50:24 PM

@Not using characters seen in previous films.

Note that Nolan said the exact same thing when Batman Begins came out, and then he did Joker in the sequel anyway because it's obligatory.

I would at least expect the Osborns to be introduced and some shady stuff to be hinted at surrounding them, even if we don't actually see Goblin.

edited 5th Apr '17 4:51:09 PM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#68025: Apr 5th 2017 at 4:55:06 PM

[up][up][up][up]We need a George Lucas Altered Version of The Avengers where Michael Keaton is seen standing around in the background trying not to look suspicious.

edited 5th Apr '17 4:55:36 PM by comicwriter


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