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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#67926: Apr 2nd 2017 at 3:52:58 PM

I loved Tom Clancy in Splinter Cell: The Twin Snakes.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#67927: Apr 2nd 2017 at 3:59:01 PM

Anyways, I like how Fisk has started to show more traits of the comic book Kingpin now. I'm starting to like him as a villain more. Like, he was a great villain in Season 1, don't get me wrong, but he kind of undermined himself with the whole career suicide thing.

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Davidnellis29 Since: Mar, 2017
#67929: Apr 2nd 2017 at 4:33:24 PM

Bryan Singer left to go to make Superman Returns, so there's little to suggest he would have made a great movie. Especially when the problem with the Last Stand was at its core, with its total disrespect for the characters. People talk smack about Deadpool and his mouth, but I still say The Last Stand is worse because it basically turns Jean Grey and the Phoenix into little more than a prop, carted from place to place by Magneto for him to use, in her own movie.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#67930: Apr 2nd 2017 at 4:36:29 PM

It was a classic case of trying to cram too much in: doing the mutant cure storyline and the Dark Phoenix storyline in the same movie. See both incarnations of the Spider-Man film franchise for another example.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#67931: Apr 2nd 2017 at 4:39:23 PM

I'm done with episode nine, gonna take a break to jog some. What I can say though: fuck the Hand. Not in a "fuck these evil guys" way, I mean fuck them for being so fucking pointless. What even is their motive? I can see the general "take power" thing like what Fisk was doing, background influence and shit, but why are they drawing blood from people? That just feels like an unnecessary addition to make them more "evul". Is it something to do with immortality or whatever?

Nobu looks kind of badass in his new gettup with the black coat and ninja outfit, but he's still flatter than paper. He had barely any character in season one compared to Fisk's other gang members who all had more personality than him, and now we have him just doing generic "evul" schemes for nothing but "da evulz". And for a guy who hates killing, Matt kinda fucking forgot that he totally killed Nobu. Maybe he could argue that it didn't fully count because Nobu's death was unintentional, but you'd think he'd be upset about it when the first four episodes are about him and the Punisher duking it out over the no-kill code. Jesus fucking Christ, Matt, this is why you're my least favorite Defender. I haven't even gotten to see Danny Rand yet and I already like him a thousand times better than you.

Also, what the fuck even is a Black Sky?

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#67932: Apr 2nd 2017 at 4:52:06 PM

Also, what the fuck even is a Black Sky?

An ominous evil thing of ominous evilness.

And that's about as much explanation as we get for it in the actual series.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#67933: Apr 2nd 2017 at 5:01:50 PM

[up][up] I think Matt takes the view that Nobu technically killed himself. Matt didn't directly cause the sparks that set Nobu on fire; Nobu caused the sparks when he deflected an object Matt threw up into the light fixture.

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#67934: Apr 2nd 2017 at 5:26:22 PM

How like a lawyer.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#67936: Apr 2nd 2017 at 6:27:35 PM

Its some shitty writing overall.

He spends so much time agonizing over whether to kill Fisk or not that you think he'd spare some thought about someone he may have accidentally killed. Maybe even a 'i didn't mean it but i may have damned myself so i deffo don't want to do it again on purpose'

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#67937: Apr 2nd 2017 at 6:30:55 PM

Yeah. I would love to, at the very least, see Matt actually doing the rationalizing of why Nobu's death totes wasn't his fault. Even better, wrestling with it internally and making it part of his motivations.

Instead, his reaction in both season 1 and season 2 is to promptly forget it ever happened and go right on moralizing about how he's better than you because he doesn't kill people or solve problems.

edited 2nd Apr '17 6:31:05 PM by TobiasDrake

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KingNomarch Since: Oct, 2015
#67938: Apr 2nd 2017 at 7:56:44 PM

Looks like Jessica Jones season 2 starts filming tomorrow.[1]

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#67940: Apr 3rd 2017 at 4:52:16 AM

I actually thought that Jessica Jones had already started filming, because the shot was supposed to happen back to back and Defender wrapped two weeks or so ago.....

I wonder if they used the opportunity to add some surprise appearances of the other Defenders to season 2.

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#67941: Apr 3rd 2017 at 6:42:35 AM

I actually thought it was gonna start filming later, so I'm pretty surprised.

@Adric: Out of curiosity, who is your favorite Defender?

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KingNomarch Since: Oct, 2015
#67942: Apr 3rd 2017 at 6:47:37 AM

The Russo Brothers reveal their Infinity War cameo.[1]

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#67943: Apr 3rd 2017 at 7:29:08 AM

[up][up]

Hands down, Jessica Jones.

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#67944: Apr 3rd 2017 at 7:37:40 AM

Good choice, Jess is amazing.

I really hope we get a Hellcat spinoff out of her. They could call it "It's Patsy!" It'd be hilarious.

edited 3rd Apr '17 7:38:16 AM by TobiasDrake

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#67945: Apr 3rd 2017 at 7:39:28 AM

[up] I would love a Hellcat series. Especially with that title. [lol]

[up][up] Heck yes! Jessica is fantastic.

edited 3rd Apr '17 7:39:53 AM by DeathsApprentice

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#67946: Apr 3rd 2017 at 7:43:42 AM

I mean, look, Jessica is way more effective than Matt, she's not afraid to kill if necessary, and she's not an overly moralizing idiot in a suit who brags about not killing people but lets everyone else do the job for them. Plus, she's good at her job.

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#67947: Apr 3rd 2017 at 7:45:11 AM

Forget being good at it; she actually does her job. That alone puts her ahead of Matt. [lol]

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#67948: Apr 3rd 2017 at 7:46:17 AM

She does her job so well she's even doing her job in other Netflix shows

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#67949: Apr 3rd 2017 at 7:48:34 AM

Funny that you bring that up because a few days ago I saw a post on Tumblr about the Defenders that went something like this (paraphrasing here, because I don't remember it completely):

Matt Murdock: Struggles with the morality of killing his enemies.

Luke Cage: Struggles with the morality of killing his enemies.

Danny Rand: Struggles with the morality of killing his enemies.

Jessica Jones: Smile :) (snaps neck)

I mean Jess did still feel pretty awful afterwards, but still.

[up][up] Haha. What the hell is Matt doing for money these days, anyway? He has to get food somehow. He can't live off of Catholic guilt.

edited 3rd Apr '17 7:49:48 AM by DeathsApprentice

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#67950: Apr 3rd 2017 at 7:49:43 AM

[up]That was personal. Would she kill some random jerk that she wasn't connected to so intrinsically?


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