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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Poor Hawkeye. His main skill is supposed to be killing people from far away
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He will be a big help against Thanos
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edited 29th Mar '17 1:06:55 PM by comicwriter
I don't think using your environment and situation to your advantage should be counted as external to a character's abilities. If we look on the DC side, Batman and Lex Luthor can both fight Superman and win (some of the time), just not toe to toe. The Hulk and Thor can beat anyone in a straight fight, but the point of characters like Cap, Widow, Hawkeye, and Bucky is that they don't fight straight— it's all about asymmetrical warfare, espionage and stealth, money, gadgets, training, and the element of surprise. You can't separate that from the character. For that matter, some characters pretty much are their team— Cap might not be able to fight any foe he meets, but it's his ability to lead, to gather troops and rally them in common cause, that's actually part of his powerset.
edited 29th Mar '17 2:44:08 PM by Unsung
Also, Bucky didn't want to fight initially, he wanted to flee, he only attacked vicious when he felt that Steve was in danger.
If Bucky really wants to take out Ironman, he can. Again, Trained assassin....if he has time to plan, he can shoot Tony anytime when he is out of his suit. In a battle he can look for a good position and then shot his arc reactor.
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The specific question asked was is Bucky's arm as strong as Iron Man. I'm gonna say no. The only reason he gets as far as he does is because of the contrived circumstances I mentioned, not because he's so physically powerful that he just bulldozes Iron Man one-on-one.
You can say under the correct circumstances Bucky could beat Tony, sure. This is fiction. Literally anyone could beat anyone with the proper set-up or plot contrivance (which is why I find power level debates useless to begin with). If the writer wants to have Hawkeye defeat Thanos or the Hulk, they'll give him a special anti-Thanos/anti-Hulk arrow that lets him win. That doesn't mean he's now as physically strong as Thanos.
edited 29th Mar '17 2:46:31 PM by comicwriter
Right, that was the point.
In Winter Soldier, Bucky was a great assassin and also a physical slugger who could effortlessly manhandle Black Widow and Falcon. He could even go toe-to-toe against Captain America and win. He was the scariest motherf*cker around because not only was he talented at espionage and assassination, but even in direct combat, it was next to impossible to beat him. He was the Terminator wading through an onslaught of hopeless attacks and bringing only death.
But then Civil War kicked him into the higher power tiers and suddenly he's not so unstoppable anymore.
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Even in Civil War it is revealed that there is a super soldier who is even stronger than he, called Josef.
Josef in physical strength is probably stronger than Black panther, but weaker than Spiderman.
- Black Panther overpower the metal arm with much effort.
- Josef with moderate effort.
- Spiderman with little effort.
edited 29th Mar '17 3:47:25 PM by dantecito
No offense to Sony, but they're not in the best position to negotiate. The reason why everybody loved Spider-man appearing in Civil War and having yet another reboot in Homecoming was because Spider-man being a part of the MCU was one of those things the fanbase always wanted but never thought would actually happen. After TASM2's utter failure to set up a franchise because the only thing that movie did was set up and not actually tell a satisfying story on it's own merits, Sony was in dire straits.
So now that Homecoming's not even out yet, Sony is back on its bullshit yet again??
edited 29th Mar '17 4:15:19 PM by higherbrainpattern
Again, it might just be the reality of the situation. She's correct in saying that two rival movie studios agreeing to share a character or put someone in another studio's movie is something that's very uncommon and is likely a nightmare of legal red tape. They might not have the groundwork in order for anything beyond Homecoming 2.
I was thinking Re the Venom without Spider-Man movie that it could actually work if they did something like an evil corporation creating or wanting to use the symbiote and had the infected hero working to control their murderous urges- or at least only direct them at the guilty. So basically [PROTOTYPE].
And it also struck me that since Flash Thompson isn't called that in the MCU/ Homecoming, they could have Flash rather than Eddie or a composite of the two, and have the protagonist be this war hero who agrees to experimentation as a way of healing his injuries.
I'm not worried - Homecoming 2 is still two years away at this point. And in any case...I don't know, I'd be fine with two movies, plus Civil War and Infinity War.
But it would be nice to get more than that.
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edited 29th Mar '17 12:19:33 PM by Prowler