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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#67701: Mar 27th 2017 at 7:30:04 PM

So Jessica Jones got her powers before The Incident (what a name lame, by the way), right? So she sees a giant portal rip open in the sky with aliens falling out of it, and okay, fine, she's not the billionaire super genius or the god or the living legend or the giant green rage monster. But she sees a dude with a bow and arrow outside her window fighting the aliens and she stays in the house.

Is Jessica Jones a giant coward?

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#67702: Mar 27th 2017 at 7:35:09 PM

I'm guessing she probably helped out where she could, like a lot of regular New Yorkers, but tried not to let people catch onto her powers too much, used them surreptitiously. Fighting the Chitauri head on isn't necessarily the best use of every super in the city, and unlike the others, Jessica has no combat training and isn't bulletproof. Helping people, rather than fighting, might've actually been the best way for her to help.

'The sandwich saved me.' I doubt she could turn away from people who were actively in danger around her.

edited 27th Mar '17 8:21:46 PM by Unsung

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#67703: Mar 27th 2017 at 7:37:13 PM

Hey, now that you mention it... was Jessica still under Kilgrave's control during the incident?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#67704: Mar 27th 2017 at 7:43:47 PM

Steve hasn't been working class for over 70 years.

And the fact that he has no sense of normalcy in his life is one of the major themes of both Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron. Being a superhero pretty much is his entire life at this point. He doesn't have a family or a daughter to worry about or a day job.

[up]When exactly does JJ take place? I'm honestly not sure what the timeline is for the Netflix shows other than that they all happen a few years after The Avengers.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#67705: Mar 27th 2017 at 8:37:35 PM

I think that where they take place relative to seasonal arcs of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is mentioned in the latter show's recap page. That's the best I can do for timelines for all the shows.

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#67706: Mar 27th 2017 at 8:51:01 PM

I just realized that both Mahershala Ali from Luke Cage and Elden Henson Daredevil were in the Hunger Games movies. I wonder if anybody ever made a joke about that before.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#67707: Mar 27th 2017 at 9:28:49 PM

All of the Netflix shows take place after Avengers and before Winter Soldier. I think either JJ or Daredevil has a news tick in an early scene that places them as the year following the Chitauri attack.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#67708: Mar 27th 2017 at 9:34:35 PM

[up] I'm pretty sure they take place after Winter Soldier but before Civil War.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#67709: Mar 27th 2017 at 9:36:41 PM

I had assumed it was all just "real time".

Aside from Luke Cage starting a little before the end of Daredevil Season 2.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#67710: Mar 27th 2017 at 9:40:48 PM

The last half of Daredevil Season 2 and Luke Cage align (Claire leaves Daredevil and shows up on Luke Cage). Luke Cage leads into Iron Fist (we see Claire picking up a flyer for Colleen Wing's dojo at the end of Luke Cage). As for Jessica Jones, all we know is that it comes before Iron Fist (Jeri Hogarth has a scar in Iron Fist that she got at the end of Jessica Jones).

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#67711: Mar 27th 2017 at 9:42:24 PM

I'm pretty sure that both Jeri and Claire reference the events of Jessica Jones during Season 2 of Daredevil (plus, Claire gets fired from the hospital in Season 2, so Jessica Jones would have to take place before then).

edited 27th Mar '17 9:42:47 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#67712: Mar 27th 2017 at 9:45:52 PM

It does.

Claire mentions she got in trouble for helping Jessica in Season 2 of Daredevil as well.

So all that stuff is mostly chronological at the most.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#67713: Mar 27th 2017 at 9:47:00 PM

Nevermind, Daredevil has dialogue that puts it two years after Avengers - which would put the start of the Netflix sub-universe at just before Age of Ultron.

edited 27th Mar '17 9:59:23 PM by KnownUnknown

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#67714: Mar 27th 2017 at 9:53:04 PM

The Netflix shows are all pretty clear-cut about being in chronological order, except for the blurriness between Daredevil Season 2's end and Luke Cage's beginning.

Also, the very end of Daredevil Season 2- the scene at the graveyard and Karen's newspaper article -is set in winter, so it might be past Luke Cage entirely if it's meant to be Winter of 2016-into-2017.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#67715: Mar 27th 2017 at 10:04:32 PM

Yeah, I think Luke Cage might take place within the second half of Daredevil Season 2, since I'm pretty sure Season 2 ends in Winter 2016. And then Iron Fist takes place in spring of 2017, so they are now current.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#67716: Mar 27th 2017 at 11:48:26 PM

Daredevil season 1 is set in summer 2014. Jessica Jones is set at the end of the winter/start of the spring in 2015 (and she was under Kilgraves control for months from 2013 to early 2014, since Reva died in 2014, so no, she wasn't enthralled when the Incident happened). Daredevil season 2 starts in summer 2015 but then makes a very annoying jump to winter (there is literally a scene in which Matt is standing in front of a calendar in the police station showing one month and then voila, after the camera angle changed it is sudden November). Luke Cage overlaps with Daredevil and is set in late autumn/early winter of 2015. And I guess Iron Fist is set in spring 2016....I asked this before, but does anybody know what kind of festival he runs into in the first episode? That would help to pin it down more precise.

edited 27th Mar '17 11:48:52 PM by Swanpride

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#67717: Mar 27th 2017 at 11:49:10 PM

Going back to my other point, "The Incident" is a really shitty name. I nominate that from now on, the events of the Avengers movie will be referred to in this thread as "The Big Fucking Brouhaha"

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#67718: Mar 27th 2017 at 11:58:33 PM

[up][up]I believe it's the bi-quarterly "We Wanted to Stage A Fight Scene In Chinatown" Parade.

[up]Motion seconded.

edited 27th Mar '17 11:59:01 PM by Unsung

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#67719: Mar 28th 2017 at 12:00:46 AM

Brouhaha only works when it's part of an alliterative title.

"Big" begins with a B, but "Fucking" doesn't.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#67720: Mar 28th 2017 at 12:05:42 AM

I argue that alliteration sandwiches are just as effective.

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#67721: Mar 28th 2017 at 1:21:19 AM

The Incident works as the sort of thing you call something you don't want to talk about

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#67722: Mar 28th 2017 at 1:58:44 AM

There were a lot of things wrong with Suicide Squad's villains, but being too funny was certainly not one of them. If anything, I would've liked them to funnier. Might've helped with the whole lack of personality thing. But then, given the way that movie handled humor in general...

That said, I agree that Marvel has yet to find that happy medium between "wisecracking heroes and jokes at the villains' expense" and the "villains have gravitas anyway," which is something that's definitely possible, but is nevertheless something they don't do. It result in lot of villains being pinned-up targets for the heroes to nigh effortless knock down the moment they get their shit together - and depending on the movie, it in turn makes the movies' conflicts feel cheap and undeveloped.

It does work to the movies' advantage sometimes (it did wonders for Loki, and imo it helped rather than hurt the atmosphere in Dr. Strange to have Kaecilius clearly not be the big man), but there are increasing times where the movie has to be well received despite it.

It hasn't been a huge problem yet, because frankly they barely ever use characters with strong connections to their villains in the first place. The few times they do, that issue is almost completely absent: Cap vs Skull is well done, as is Thor vs Loki, and Thanos has been handled well so far. For Spider-Man they will almost certainly have to rethink things, though. Spidey has always been a character who works best with a certain level of connection with his villains, even the incidental ones. And far moreso than any of Iron Man, Cap or Thor's villains, Spider-Man has enemies who the audience - even the general filmgoing audience - will get very hype for in the future: if they treat Doc Ock or Goblin like Malekith or Kaecilius, it will just work against them.

edited 28th Mar '17 2:04:14 AM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#67723: Mar 28th 2017 at 3:10:21 AM

It's not the Chinese new year celebration of something like that?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#67724: Mar 28th 2017 at 6:21:29 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39udgGPyYMg

Trailer dropped. Careful, might contain more of the plot than you want to see.....

edited 28th Mar '17 6:22:10 AM by Swanpride


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