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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Well separate from the MCU seems like a problem to the extent it means "Spider-Man won't be in the movie". I don't think that's as much of a problem with the proposed Black Cat and Silver Sable movie, because that sounds like a cool spy/caper movie, even though I'll miss those characters interacting with Peter.
However, I'm not thrilled by the idea of a separate Venom movie, unless it was about Flash/a heroic character as Agent Venom or Venom Space-Knight. Because Eddie Brock/ a Venom who is an Ax-Crazy vigilante who eats brains, seems more like someone who should be an antagonist in a Spider-Man movie rather than the protagonist of his own movie. Especially because even if you like that super-powered Punisher aspect of Eddie (which I don't), the main thing he's known for is being the second guy to wear the symbiote after Peter and sharing with the symbiote a murderous hatred of Peter.
edited 23rd Mar '17 7:08:53 AM by Hodor2
Certainly not (as Deadpool and Logan recently reaffirmed), but the issue becomes a little more complicated by the fact that Sony's current main Spider-Man series is explicitly MCU canon. Are they not going to use Spider-Man in these spin-offs to avoid contradiction, or are they going to introduce their own, alternate take on Spider-Man unconnected to Tom Holland's version?
The former could easily work for Silver Sable and Black Cat (particularly since Sable has fronted her own solo series in the past), but a Venom movie without Spider-Man would be...awkward, to say the least. Unless you just completely redesign him so that he no longer looks like an evil version of Spider-Man. As it stands, it'd kind of be like WB making a Bizarro movie and trying to pretend the fact that he looks like Superman, has a similar costume, and uses the same powers is a complete coincidence.
And then if you introduce a new Spidey, that's needlessly confusing. Venom would hit theaters the same Summer either Infinity War or Avengers 4 hit theaters, both of which will feature Tom Holland's Spider-Man. Seems messy to have two alternate, competing Spideys on the big screen the same year.
edited 23rd Mar '17 7:11:24 AM by comicwriter
Iron Fist has its own set of strength....aside from salvaging the Hand, the show offers a wonderful slew of morally ambiguous characters. Which I love. The other Netflix shows tend to put every character into a category eventually, there is no doubt who are the good guys and who are the bad guys at the end of the day. But Iron Fist allows characters do make decisions you keep questioning...and that extents to Danny himself, which might be one of the reasons why the reviewers are so hard on him, but I love this aspect of his character. I mean, there is never a doubt that he means well, but meaning well doesn't necessarily means that his decisions are always morally totally sound. It is kind of normal that our heroes break the law on a general basis and that they aren't always nice people, but Danny muddles along more often than not. And his supporting cast...oh boy, are they hard to put into any category.
Three Spider-mans, since there is also the animated movie.
edited 23rd Mar '17 7:34:32 AM by Swanpride
I mean that was the only logical move really
Marvel is working with Sony so they get creative control over the Spider Man movie so it meshes with the MCU.
They're probably not going to have such control over the spinoffs so they're not going to be in continuity
I guess there's a Venn diagram sorta thing
Forever liveblogging the Avengers![]()
The animated Spider-Man isn't an issue, since I don't think anyone is going to confuse a cartoon spin-off with the actual live-action movies. It'd be like if people were asking why doesn't Lego Batman share continuity with Batman v. Superman or The Dark Knight.
My point is why is Sony allowing there to be non-canon spin-offs of the franchise made when the whole point of making the deal with Marvel was them basically admitting they'd run the franchise into the ground and needed Marvel to salvage it.
edited 23rd Mar '17 8:08:48 AM by comicwriter
At some point DD2 becomes two different shows which seldom seem connected. Is how I looked at it.
edited 23rd Mar '17 9:06:20 AM by Bocaj
Forever liveblogging the AvengersAnd one of them is substantially shittier than the other.
Bernthal's Punisher is easily the best part of the season. Also, best depiction of the Punisher since Thomas Jane. I still rank Jane's Punisher above Bernthal's, but it's close. Damned close.
And while I will never stop hating the stupid Matt/Karen subplot, the diner scene where Frank talks about love and we get to see how much of a hardcore romantic he is...that scene is easily one of the best in the season. It's not an aspect of the character that gets talked about much, but of course Frank is a diehard romantic. If he didn't love his family with every ounce of his soul, he wouldn't be killing people today.
edited 23rd Mar '17 9:23:28 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Yeah, that is the thing. The main character leaves behind the interesting plot. Literally loses all interest in it and goes off to the worst side of the fork.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersYeah, Ennis wrote a lot of great stuff with the Punisher, but that bit was just obnoxious.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Netflix Punisher in general is interesting because of the decision to slide the character back to pre-Garth Ennis characterization. Garth Ennis's imprint on the character was making Castle a ruthless Blood Knight who loves what he does and is a stone-hearted, emotionless killing machine and there's the usual implication that he kills people not out of any sense of righteousness or vengeance for his family but just because he's a rampaging psychopath who wants a war to fight in. And this characterization sort of became Frank's standard.
The show slides him back to pre-Ennis days, when Punisher was a legitimate family whose Blood Knight traits are toned way down and far more capable of feeling emotions and empathy for people.
Ennis Punisher would probably never have anything like the graveyard speech.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I'm on the minority, I like their relationship fine as it is.
Though when Bullseye shows up watch the fuck out.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."

Yeah, Jessica Jones was just very thematically well done, and it was one hell of a character study, which I enjoyed. And, adding to the discussion about Will Simpson, I really loved how the show used him to deconstruct our heroic view of toxic masculinity. And Kilgrave was one hell of a villain. David Tennant really brought the right amount of creepiness and, weirdly enough, charisma to that role. It is definitely my favorite of the Netflix shows. (I mean, I haven't watched Iron Fist yet, but I can't imagine it would be much better than JJ, because the latter was just so good.)
When we're done, there won't be anything left.