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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#67401: Mar 21st 2017 at 7:42:37 AM

Could Sony's Venom tie in to the Marvel Cinematic Universe?

Ehhhhhhhhhh, probably...not? Or if it is, it's gonna be a very tight fit? I dunno?

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#67402: Mar 21st 2017 at 8:03:35 AM

[up][up]T'Challa's favorite way to travel is on car roofs.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#67403: Mar 21st 2017 at 8:09:52 AM

Yeah I'm binging Jessica Jones now. Gonna do the first episode before I have to head out to a doctor's appointment, then I'm gonna finish it up.

I can already tell y'all that I prefer the opening credits sequence to this over Daredevil's.

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#67404: Mar 21st 2017 at 8:14:02 AM

I really love JJ's opening credits. The atmosphere is just so cool.

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#67405: Mar 21st 2017 at 8:18:22 AM

I love just about everything about JJ. It's my favorite of the Netflix shows thus far.

Though I do still need to watch Luke Cage. Been waiting on a friend for it and I'm about ready to give up and just binge it myself.

...and I suppose Iron Fist, if I must.

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#67406: Mar 21st 2017 at 8:23:54 AM

I'd like to hear your opinion on Iron Fist, actually, Tobias. I've heard some things that actually sound interesting to me, but I want to get an opinion from a skeptic.

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#67407: Mar 21st 2017 at 8:26:40 AM

I'll be sure to share it once I've watched it. Might be a while, though. Have to finish binging MLP before I'll have room on my plate for other shows.

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#67408: Mar 21st 2017 at 8:29:53 AM

That's alright, I have time.

Damn, I need to get caught up on MLP too. And Star Wars Rebels, for that matter. Plus some anime that I want to watch...

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#67409: Mar 21st 2017 at 8:32:54 AM

I've been caught up with MLP for a while, thankfully. I need to finish Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, Star vs the Forces of Evil, and The Loud House, though.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#67410: Mar 21st 2017 at 8:36:28 AM

Iron Fist really did get a lot-a lot better in episode 6, I'll say that. Those first three episodes, though... There's a reason it's taken me this long to get this far. Lot of false starts.

Daredevil's opening credits fit the show, I'd say. Like most things about the two shows, I'd say I'd rate Jessica Jones more highly on each part on its own, credits included, as well as having the better overall seasonal arc. Daredevil, though— they had a really solid vision of what the show wanted to be, for good or bad, and it all hangs together very well. I do have a weak spot for the kind of grimdark bloody noir that DD represents, though.

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#67411: Mar 21st 2017 at 8:58:45 AM

[up] JJ suffers from focusing TOO much on Kilgrave. Daredevil has like 5 villains running the scene at the same time, so it doesn't feel like Arc Fatique for me.

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#67412: Mar 21st 2017 at 9:02:40 AM

Well I just got done with Episode 1 of Jessica Jones, and Jesus fucking Christ that was intense. The few moments that Tennant is in are fucking creepy. Like, say what you want about the Tenth Doctor, he was (usually) kind of fun to watch. This...this is horrifying on so many levels. It's good, don't get me wrong, but it leaves you with an uncomfortable feeling while watching it.

Also, Trish's actress has a really bad American accent, just wanted to add that. She's a good actress, don't get me wrong, but it's more obvious with her that she's putting on an accent.

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#67413: Mar 21st 2017 at 9:06:43 AM

Kilgrave is the best thing in the show. I'd even go so far as to call him Marvel's best villain ever. He is just amazing in every scene he's in. Tennant played him perfectly and the writing does a fantastic job of making him...not relatable, exactly, but understandable.

You're not supposed to sympathize or empathize with Kilgrave, but there's still an uncomfortable sense of understanding why he's the way he is. He's just about the closest to a three-dimensional character that a rapist has ever been portrayed as, and the effect is as chilling as it is amazing because he's so f*cking likable. Like, if you didn't know he was a monster and a rapist, he'd be a guy you might consider having a few beers with.

He's charming, he's witty, he's got some fair points to make about where he comes from and a unique worldview that's colored by his powerset in interesting ways. But he's also a murderer, a rapist, and a key component of that worldview is that he is physically incapable of acknowledging other people's existence as equivalent to his own, making him a powers-induced sociopath. He's awful. But likable.

edited 21st Mar '17 9:08:50 AM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#67414: Mar 21st 2017 at 10:27:39 AM

I am thinking about writing about the pro and cons of the different Netflix shows, weight the respective strength and weaknesses against each other...I think it would be an interesting study. I am just unsure if I should treat Daredevil season 1 and 2 as one show or two story arcs....

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#67415: Mar 21st 2017 at 11:50:28 AM

Kilgrave's a great villain, masterfully (hahaha) written and acted. He's a case of everyone involved taking the time (ahaha— sorry) to examine the concept in detail. Like, here's what a person with these powers would do with them, how they'd think of themselves, how they'd rationalize rape as not really that bad from their perspective— and it is rape, even when there's no sex involved— and why after living that way for so long they'd be nearly incapable of seeing it any other way. It's the idea that rapists are NOT a special kind of evil, that they seem normal and even likeable— and so they and their victims do go largely unseen, because surely if someone were doing this, it would be obvious. Not so.

Will's terminally toxic masculinity doesn't generally get mentioned in the same breath as the Purple Man, but it's worth noting for the parallel it adds. Nuke doesn't think of himself as being as bad as Kilgrave, and generally he's not, but we see how easy it is for him to convince himself he needs the power, that he needs to protect Trish, how that unevenness in their relationship is etched into his whole personality on a very deep, cultural level.

So yeah. Daredevil is very well done, I love Fisk, the Punisher, and the whole ensemble of villains we see in season 1, but it's definitely retrograde, set in a version of New York that no longer exists. Timeless as some of its themes may be, I don't think it has as much to say as Jessica Jones. But that's okay too.

edited 22nd Mar '17 9:04:12 AM by Unsung

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#67416: Mar 21st 2017 at 1:02:56 PM

Iron Fist creator Roy Thomas responds to the controversy[1].

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#67417: Mar 21st 2017 at 1:10:51 PM

As far as opening credits go I really like Daredevil's. It's Liquid Daredevil being poured onto the city.

It's a substance much like Liquid Plumber, but it cleans the criminals out of Hell's Kitchen rather than clean gunk out of your sink drain.

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#67418: Mar 21st 2017 at 1:11:29 PM

I don't think you could say Killgrave is likable at all. He has a few pretty funny quips but the way he treats everyone like tools for his amusement or to fulfill whatever need most interests him at the time, and the horrendously cruel things he does, make him extremely creepy and loathsome. Never at any point did I NOT find him to be a slimy, monstrous creep.

It is true however that he makes a good point about why he turned out the way he did. He was in a situation where he was basically incapable of having meaningful relationships with people. After a long enough amount of time a lot of people would probably stop caring about being good too.

edited 21st Mar '17 1:19:20 PM by Draghinazzo

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#67419: Mar 21st 2017 at 1:18:02 PM

Oh geez Roy Thomas

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#67420: Mar 21st 2017 at 1:19:16 PM

It's more that he's likeable as a person, rather than as a character. When not showing his dark side, he's almost endearing. But there's that horrible cruelty beneath the surface that could strike at any time, because he doesn't see you as a creature worthy of any true comprehension or worth.

I think the most effective part about him is that he's not even hiding his true self behind a facade. He's not acting. He legitimately doesn't understand his actions or temperament as monstrous. He wouldn't ever understand or care for someone explaining it to him. He can be charming and vile in the same sentence, in the same action.

Villains like that are always the most unsettling, because there's something equal parts endearing and horrifying about watching them interact with people.

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#67421: Mar 21st 2017 at 1:20:40 PM

[up][up] I'm afraid to look. What did he say?

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#67422: Mar 21st 2017 at 1:20:53 PM

I was talking about him as a person. He treats most people like garbage unless there's some sort of specific point to it like the house dealership bit.

[up] I think he's just talking about the recent interview where the guy basically blew off the controversy surrounding Iron Fist's race with the usual excuses. "People looking for something to get upset over", etc. It was pretty cringe-worthy.

edited 21st Mar '17 1:27:43 PM by Draghinazzo

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#67423: Mar 21st 2017 at 1:21:14 PM

Kilgrave is living life with Console Commands, and he has trouble immersing in the setting as a result. He basically lives in a world where other people don't exist. Where the universe revolves around him, and where he couldn't turn off his cheat codes even if he wanted to.

Spend enough years where every single person you meet is a thinly-veiled bot programmed to obey your every whim rather than a unique person with a distinct identity and a life, and sociopathy sorta becomes the only option. How do you relate to people who can't even disagree with you once you start talking?

Problem is, he shares that world with actual people.

edited 21st Mar '17 1:22:16 PM by TobiasDrake

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#67424: Mar 21st 2017 at 1:40:53 PM

Kilgrave's not going to be everybody's cup of tea, but he's played by David Tennant, so he's got a certain raw charisma even without really trying to. The way he treats people is what makes him a monster, but one with the textbook superficial charm of a psychopath.

You can also see how he makes more of an effort than he needs to— he likes to think he's being magnanimous and that everybody loves him. Because he has all the power, he can live a world where that's effectively true...from a certain point of view.

He's not the only one who's ever done this. It's just that his influence over others is a lot less abstract than other abusers who find themselves in a similar position.

edited 21st Mar '17 1:56:53 PM by Unsung

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#67425: Mar 21st 2017 at 2:23:02 PM

Alright, I'm continuing to binge Jessica Jones, I'm in the middle of episode two.

This is gonna take me hours but I don't care, this show is pretty damn good.

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