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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#67376: Mar 20th 2017 at 5:41:50 PM

Spider-Man is an edge case for street level anyway.

His second issue had him fighting aliens trying to sell secrets to the commies.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#67377: Mar 20th 2017 at 5:42:59 PM

[up]Retconned into being Mysterio and henchmen.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#67378: Mar 20th 2017 at 5:49:11 PM

He's fought plenty of supernatural/bigger threats. Hell, he once beat one of Galactus' heralds and played a key role in helping save the Avengers from Thanos the second time he attacked Earth.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#67379: Mar 20th 2017 at 5:52:42 PM

Doesn't matter if it was retconned later.

The creators of Spider-Man thought it was perfectly nifty for him to fight aliens in the second issue of his comic book.

And he does get involved in a lot of communist and alien plots even besides that retconned thing. The Venom symbiote. Firelord. Being cloned, repeatedly. Voyages to the Savage Land. Et cetera.

Spider-Man sits at the top of street level but he visits outside it so much. So, so much.

He basically has a time share in the cosmic level neighorhood or whatever you'd call it there. Three times a year he can go there any time he wants.

edited 20th Mar '17 5:54:12 PM by Bocaj

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PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#67380: Mar 20th 2017 at 5:56:21 PM

[up][up]You mean that time Thanos attacked with the Thanoscopter?

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#67381: Mar 20th 2017 at 5:56:46 PM

Spider-Man is street-level the way Batman is street-level.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#67382: Mar 20th 2017 at 5:56:48 PM

It was his finest moment.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#67383: Mar 20th 2017 at 6:07:01 PM

I mean, didn't Superman once have a jet that could punch people for him?

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#67384: Mar 20th 2017 at 6:14:23 PM

I so want them to reference the Thanoscopter. I don't care if it doesn't make any sense.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#67385: Mar 20th 2017 at 6:18:01 PM

Street level is a genre thing (a lot of the street level finagling comes from people mistaking it for a power level thing), so it's unsurprising to get characters with a lot of range in both being street level and not being street level. Most characters whose plots primarily take place in urban areas are going to be street level at least in part, except when there is a conscious effort to ensure they aren't (like how Superman barely ever interacts with Metropolis itself, but rather its most prominent citizens).

Batman, for example, is extremely street level in his home series because the Batman series his very noir inspired, to the point where even thematically most of his enemies don't work well in the greater DC universe and likely wouldn't even if they were more powerful. Batman works fine outside of Gotham, though, because his skills and temperament allow him to contribute and be interesting when facing basically anything the writers can throw him at (which isn't to say that "ensemble" Batman and "main series" Batman aren't written very differently, mind).

There are few characters who can switch as effortlessly between street level and other threats as Spider-Man, though. The best equivalent I can think of over at DC is Black Lightning.

edited 20th Mar '17 6:19:02 PM by KnownUnknown

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#67386: Mar 20th 2017 at 6:51:44 PM

Finished Iron Fist.

Finale was good, especially him Iron Fisting the floor and blowing all the glass out of the building in slo-mo.

Also I guess cremation counts for perma-killing a Hand immortal. R.I.P. in Pepperoni, Harold Meachum. I wonder if he resurrected several times WHILE being incinerated. tongue

edited 20th Mar '17 6:53:22 PM by Anomalocaris20

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#67387: Mar 20th 2017 at 7:23:51 PM

You mean that time Thanos attacked with the Thanoscopter?

Nope he captured the Avengers and it was Spidey and the Thing who went and busted them out. The cover was Thanos about to beat a motherfucka with another motherfucka.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#67388: Mar 20th 2017 at 7:25:32 PM

That seems like it would hurt Spider-Man a lot more than the Thing. Seems like that should have been the other way around.

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#67389: Mar 20th 2017 at 7:25:58 PM

Spider-Man has a foot in the door of every corner of the Marvel Universe. He's Marvel's team-up star. That's actually one of the advantages he has as a character: he's been everywhere, he knows everyone, he's done everything. No matter what kind of story you're telling, you can justify Spider-Man being present, because part of his shtick is just showing up where he ought not to be and going, "Hey guys, whatcha doing? Fighting evil? Sweet, I'm joining!"

It doesn't matter if it's a mugger, an alien invasion, a legion of Frost Giants, or the army of Hell. Spider-Man doesn't know how not to get involved.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#67390: Mar 20th 2017 at 7:31:09 PM

Wolverine has a similar appeal in that he also fits everywhere.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#67391: Mar 20th 2017 at 7:34:51 PM

There've been times where Spidey has literally shown up, gotten deeply involved and had no idea what was going on until after the fighting is over.

I actually want to see something like that in the MCU. Or a Spidey crossover in the vein of Hulk being in Ragnarok.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#67392: Mar 20th 2017 at 8:04:46 PM

Spider-Man just randomly shows up on Sakaar for no reason.

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#67393: Mar 20th 2017 at 8:06:34 PM

  • Thor: When and how did you get here?
  • Spider-Man: Great responsibility, yo!

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#67394: Mar 20th 2017 at 8:18:16 PM

Thor might not know who Spider-Man is. He hasn't met him yet after all.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#67395: Mar 20th 2017 at 9:10:36 PM

I do hope either Thor or Banner gets a look at Spidey, Black Panther, Ant-Man, Wasp, Doctor Strange and Captain Marvel and asks "Who are you people?"

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#67396: Mar 20th 2017 at 10:00:23 PM

@Wolverine: Reading the comic, I never feel like Wolverine fit in anywhere else but the X-Men. The dynamic between him and the mutants are just miles better than between him and everyone else.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#67397: Mar 20th 2017 at 10:14:44 PM

After watching Iron Fist I don't think I'll ever look at vanilla ice cream the same way again, by the way.

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Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#67398: Mar 20th 2017 at 11:01:02 PM

Well I finally finished the first season of Daredevil. I quite liked it. Nice action, nice acting, nice fight scenes and nice writing. The pacing is pretty good too.

I don't really know what else to say, I've never been too analytical about this stuff...

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#67399: Mar 21st 2017 at 12:20:24 AM

Then don't be analytical. Just ride the MCU-Netflix hype train. tongue

JJ up next?

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KingNomarch Since: Oct, 2015
#67400: Mar 21st 2017 at 7:40:36 AM

Photos and bts footage of the chase scene in the Black Panther movie[1]


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