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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I just finished episode 6. I can see what they mean with the pacing; there's not much fighting and what little there is isn't all that exciting.
After the episode 6 opening showed off those badass martial artists I was hoping they'd each be a really interesting fight, but they were basically the television equivalent of unimportant minibosses. Especially the dude who was introduced singing "Take On Me" while killing a horde of people, who got punked by Danny without much fanfare. The fights just feel like less interesting versions of Daredevil's fights. As an action enthusiast who is mostly here for the fights, that's a disappointment, especially since there was a lot of potential with Iron Fist's powerset.
I'm actually liking the corporate intrigue aspect, though, and I think Finn Jones' acting is decent enough. Also Madame Gao is awesome as always. Hopefully the back half of the season picks up in quality. It's good but it's the weakest of the shows so far for me.
edited 18th Mar '17 2:18:41 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
How does it compare to the other Marvel Netflix shows in terms of "makes the viewers feel dead inside"?
Also, anyone have any theories as to why Sony would think making Venom separate from the MCU is a great idea? Because it almost seems like they have little faith that Spider-Man: Homecoming is going to turn out well...
I would say IF is nowhere near as pessimistic and grim as LC, DD, and JJ. It's fairly light-hearted, despite the violence.
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Honestly, I think the project mostly exists to keep some Spider-man obsessed people at Sony from Marvel's back so that they can do their work in peace. At least I hope so.....
Yeah, I agree, Iron Fist is a little bit light-hearted which is part of the reasons why I like it better. I mean, Daredevil's message was pretty much: There are a lot of good people in the world, but they end up dead because there are also so many shitty people. Jessica Jones message was pretty much: The world is shitty, people are shitty, deal with it. Luke Cage's message went: Everyone betrays everyone eventually, you only can take this live step by step. But Iron Fist goes more: Every problem has more than one side to it and there will be a lot of people who will use and betray you, but there are also a lot of people who do want a better world and fight for it. There are no absolute answers and no easy solutions, but there are ideals you can and should follow.
edited 18th Mar '17 3:40:28 PM by Swanpride
I doubt that. As was said, Spider-Man is still theirs, and they still want it to be a big franchise, hence them also doing the animated Miles Morales movie next year.
Sony isn't like marvel where if they want to diversify their superhero offerings, they can just go make something offbeat like Guardians of the Galaxy. They're pretty much limited to Spider-Man characters, and Venom is a popular character who has proven he can work as a solo property in the past.
edited 18th Mar '17 4:10:42 PM by comicwriter
That would be a great idea, actually. It would let them have their cake and eat it with their deal with Marvel. By establishing that Gwen's universe is a parallel world, it would sort of introduce the parallel Earths concept to the MCU AND it would mean they can have their own Spider-universe with their own versions of the characters they're sharing with the MCU.
Want to do a movie with the Scorpion but the MCU already used the Scorpion? That's fine! This is GWEN'S Scorpion!
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.IF sounds like a much-needed breath of fresh air compared to the other Marvel Netflix shows.
I'm already dead inside so I can't really provide a fair answer.
Also I haven't actually finished it yet.
edited 18th Mar '17 8:45:39 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!![]()
Oh, I am actually looking forward to see Danny interact with the other heroes. There is no doubt that the writers knew they needed a counterpoint, because they actually put the fact that Danny is a little bit different than them in text.
There are two things Iron Fist did absolutely right. This one and they actually managed to make the Hand interesting - finally. If there is something the show has on Daredevil, it is that. Which gives me a lot of hope for the Defenders.
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They were trying to. That was one of the early drafts of Amazing Spider-Man 2, and I think a lot of why that movie fails is that it was cut. I mean, without Spider-Gwen, the whole subway car thing is rendered completely pointless, when obviously it was there so Peter could use his fathers research to Synthesize a stabilizing agent to give her his powers to help her heal after the fall breaks her spine but doesn't kill her. T Hen the pair of them take down Rhino. But when Columbia got a new head, that stuff got cut hard.
I don't think that's true. For one, the movie predates the creation of Spider-Gwen. The other is that they always intended to kill off Gwen, which is what Emma Stone said helped draw her to the project in the first place. She thought killing a major character was a bold move you don't see in superhero movies often.
IIRC, she actually had them put it in her contract that they had to kill her. She really wanted Gwen to die like she does in the comics.
edited 19th Mar '17 6:22:40 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.The wire-crossing here may be due to the fact that there was a Spider-Gwen like character planned, just not for this movie. One of the spin-offs Sony wanted to do after Amazing Spider-Man 2 was an all-female team movie led by Silver Sable, and the other lead in the film was going to be an alternate universe version of Gwen Stacy who had spider-powers.
But that was thought up after Gwen was dead, because pretty much everyone at Sony realized getting rid of Emma was a huge mistake, and they were all trying to find ways to bring her back. That's why some of the pitches for the third movie included a serum that could resurrect the dead and Gwen coming back as Carnage. Having Emma play an alternate universe version of Gwen was seen as a cheat that would allow the franchise's most popular female character to come back without having to immediately walk back her death.
edited 19th Mar '17 6:30:46 AM by comicwriter
I recall reading about that serum part, but this is the first time I heard of Gwen being revived as Carnage of all things.
Bah, Sony's useless...
EDIT: The whole "Emma Stone wanting Gwen to be Deader than Dead" thing, I mean I love the actress and all, but I can't stop thinking of how unsettling it seems to want your character to stay super-dead.
Maybe Emma was Genre Savvy enough to know about Sony's ulterior motives for her as Gwen and was all "like hell those monkeys will have me play the same character for god knows how many movies!"?
edited 19th Mar '17 9:47:32 AM by TargetmasterJoe

I am on my second Iron Fist watch (I now switched to English), and I can't disagree more when it comes to the acting abilities of Finn Jones. He was okay with the German dubbing, but boy does he know how to emote and put a whole myriad of feelings into one word.