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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#67251: Mar 17th 2017 at 3:32:36 PM

Tony might not quit, but he is the type to change roles if the need arises.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#67252: Mar 18th 2017 at 6:14:57 AM

I could actually see Evans retiring just because more than anyone, he seems to have had the hardest time getting to do smaller or more dramatic roles because marvel keeps eating up all his time. He's alluded to this a few times in the past.

Also, make it so.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#67253: Mar 18th 2017 at 6:21:50 AM

[up] I can see him taking a small break to do one or two other projects, but the main reason he can afford those smaller roles is that he has the MCU gig.

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#67254: Mar 18th 2017 at 7:29:00 AM

On the topic of the older actors retiring, I could see Robert Downey Jr. stepping down from the action role into more of a smaller mentor role to a successor. Riri Williams is definitely an option on the table for extending the Iron Man franchise beyond Tony Stark.

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#67255: Mar 18th 2017 at 7:36:05 AM

How well acepted is Riri by the fans?

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#67256: Mar 18th 2017 at 7:51:43 AM

The fans are a very small fraction of the movie going audience

But I haven't heard much vocal hate and some people are jazzed about her

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eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#67257: Mar 18th 2017 at 8:32:08 AM

Sure, but if nobody liked Riri in the comics, why bother making a movie with her?

It would be more feasible a movie about Pepper as Rescue first if that was the case.

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#67258: Mar 18th 2017 at 8:42:19 AM

The only controversy regarding Riri that I know if came about because an artist drew her overly sexualized and fans were pissed about that.

Which, as controversies go, is actually a pretty good sign about her reception.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#67259: Mar 18th 2017 at 9:00:29 AM

Civil War was a burning dumpster fire in the comics but they were still able to salvage it into a watchable movie, so it wouldn't be that big a hurdle anyway.

A Rescue movie is probably a no-go given that Paltrow hasn't appeared since Iron Man 3, and even then she said she felt she was getting too old to do these kinds of movies anymore.

edited 18th Mar '17 9:00:47 AM by comicwriter

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#67260: Mar 18th 2017 at 9:03:40 AM

I thought I heard something about her only having one movie left in her contract, which was why she wasn't in Civil War. They didn't want to waste what may be her last film on a minor role in Cap's movie or something like that.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#67261: Mar 18th 2017 at 9:07:50 AM

My guess is she will have a small role in Infinity War where she reunites with Tony. Or attends Tony's funeral.

edited 18th Mar '17 9:08:04 AM by comicwriter

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#67262: Mar 18th 2017 at 10:12:21 AM

[up] Shhhhhhh, don't tempt Fate like that.

Also, no idea who Taraji P. Henson is, but I already see her being Monica Rambeau.

Also also, you guys know how Sony announced a Venom movie a few days ago? I recall reading they wanted it to be separate from Spider-Man (*cough-cough*bullshit*cough*), so why is Venom an entry in the MCU's main page?

Or maybe we should leave it there in case Sony makes an official statement that basically boils down to "Did we say Venom was going to be separate from the MCU? Uh, we meant to say that Venom will totally be part of the MCU. Yeah."

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#67263: Mar 18th 2017 at 10:15:46 AM

I guess hypothetically you can do a Venom separate from Spider-Man

Gonna have to scramble a bit to justify him being a bigger, beefier copy of Spider-Man's powers if Spidey never wore the suit

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#67264: Mar 18th 2017 at 11:14:52 AM

I am not in a hurry to see another Ironman/Ironwoman whatever. We already have War machine and Falcon after all. And it was never the Armour which made the character interesting anyway.

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#67265: Mar 18th 2017 at 11:15:35 AM

It could work, actually. Most of Spider-Man's powers that Venom has are pretty sensical. Strength and speed, easy. Climbing walls? He's a goop monster with claws, that isn't hard. Even the webbing can just be replaced with symbiote tendrils like it already is; it just looks like webbing.

Venom's connection to Spider-Man is more of a nerf than a benefit, honestly. Part of what makes Carnage so formidable is all the creative shit he does with his symbiote, which Venom doesn't because he's so busy aping Spider-Man.

EDIT: And if they want to keep the Spidey connection, just give the symbiote to Flash and say that he imitates Spider-Man because that's his hero.

edited 18th Mar '17 11:16:28 AM by TobiasDrake

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#67266: Mar 18th 2017 at 11:30:08 AM

@Swanpride: There are like four Robins currently that exist simultaneously in DC comics, including Batman's son as well as Duke Thomas, an African-American. Having more than one legacy character for Iron Man appearing in the movies isn't a bad idea.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#67267: Mar 18th 2017 at 11:31:52 AM

I'm really hoping they don't do recasting or legacy characters once the actors start leaving. Movies are not like the comic books, where you can have dozens of titles running simultaneously. Putting out three movies a year is probably the most Marvel can do without dangerously oversaturating the market. So, going forward, the only way movies starring new characters can fit into the schedule is if some of older characters stop having new movies come out.

If Marvel had decided to make an Incredible Hulk sequel in Phase Two, we probably wouldn't have gotten Guardians of the Galaxy. And if they'd decided to make another Iron Man movie in Phase 3 without Robert Downey, Jr., then something else in the lineup would have to be dropped to make room for it. And that would honestly be a shame.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#67268: Mar 18th 2017 at 11:32:08 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] Maybe. But considering the guys they allegedly got (it's still early in the year, things may change), I doubt they'll be able to do that in a way that will gel well with everybody.

Honestly, I'm just waiting for the day Kevin Feige slaps some sense (preferably in the literal sense) to whichever Sony executive came up with the idea and go "Hey. You knuckleheads want Venom, we do it my way, capisce?"

edited 18th Mar '17 11:33:14 AM by TargetmasterJoe

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#67269: Mar 18th 2017 at 12:00:46 PM

He doesn't get to do any "slapping" unless Venom was already covered by the pre-arranged deal. Sony still controls the franchise.

Shhhhhhh, don't tempt Fate like that.

Wrong company.

We already have War machine and Falcon after all.

Yes agreed. Two black people is enough.tongue

edited 18th Mar '17 12:01:40 PM by comicwriter

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#67270: Mar 18th 2017 at 12:03:52 PM

so why is Venom an entry in the MCU's main page?

Because people on this site repeatedly jump the gun and make edits to the pages without any sources or evidence. I can't count the number of times I've deleted entries because people either put A) rumors or supposition or B) stuff from the comics that may not be true in the movie-verse to the pages.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#67271: Mar 18th 2017 at 12:13:30 PM

Tell me about it. I remember when Winter Soldier aired a week early in Europe, all the AoS pages were covered with "and obviously this character is HYDRA." None of them were.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#67272: Mar 18th 2017 at 12:14:49 PM

[up][up]God, I know. Remember when someone posted their pet theories of what they wanted to happen in Infinity War as if they were actual plot points on Infinity War's main page?

edited 18th Mar '17 12:15:04 PM by higherbrainpattern

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#67273: Mar 18th 2017 at 12:16:44 PM

[up] I don't remember that. How long ago was that, and what were they?

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#67274: Mar 18th 2017 at 12:21:41 PM

[up] I don't recall the exact points, but it was about a year and a half ago, back before Civil War was even out in theaters, when nobody knew absolutely anything about Infinity War, except that maybe Drax would be in it.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#67275: Mar 18th 2017 at 12:26:40 PM

A consistent one that was listed in several different entries (I think even after it was deleted the first time) was that Infinity War Part I would star an entirely brand new team of Avengers, and that the original 6 Avengers would only show up to finish the fight in Part II. Nobody in any official capacity ever said this, but for some reason it was being treated as gospel by a certain poster.

And when Civil War was first announced somebody jumped the gun and put that both Chris Hemsworth and Mark Ruffalo would be in it as well.

And then most recently, when it was announced Nathan Fillion had a cameo in GOTG Vol. 2 on a poster as Simon Williams, somebody jumped the gun massively and listed him as part of the main cast and had tropes related to the character in the works page, as though he was actually joining the team and appearing as a major character.


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