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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
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#67151: Mar 14th 2017 at 7:50:09 AM

That's a weird stance to take...

35 year old white man.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#67152: Mar 14th 2017 at 7:50:38 AM

I needs some PR training.

Still excited about the show, though. I really need some distraction, because in my circle of friends there was just a very sudden and totally unexpected dead. I am just back from the funeral and I honestly really look forward to the opportunity to distract myself this weekend by delving into a new show. If nothing else, Iron Fist might give me some new dates for my time-line.

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#67154: Mar 14th 2017 at 8:11:10 AM

Oh my gosh, Swanpride, I'm so sorry. sad I hope Iron Fist serves as sufficient distraction.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
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#67155: Mar 14th 2017 at 8:13:28 AM

[up][up]Sorry for your loss.

Idk how Iron Fist will be but at least there should be some good fight scenes.

edited 14th Mar '17 8:13:48 AM by BigBlackBangBro

35 year old white man.
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#67156: Mar 14th 2017 at 8:14:04 AM

Condolences.

I am holding out for the second half to be better, and for Finn to shut his mouth.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#67157: Mar 14th 2017 at 8:22:32 AM

And yet people seem consistently jazzed with Batman.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#67158: Mar 14th 2017 at 8:29:35 AM

[up]No one is demanding Asian Batman.

Even thought there is an Asian Batman in "New Super-Man" and I'm gonna stop here before confusing you all.

BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
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#67159: Mar 14th 2017 at 8:34:35 AM

Yeah but people like Green Arrow and Ironman

35 year old white man.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#67160: Mar 14th 2017 at 8:37:42 AM

[up][up] No, my point is that I don't think people are done with heroic white billionaires. I think people just didn't like the first six episodes of Iron Fist.

And also, Batman does share some of the problematic elements of Iron Fist and Dr Strange. I think someone here pointed out that Batman Begins Batman basically has Dr. Strange's origin.

He gets less flak over it because maybe he has enough other stuff going on or maybe because he's grandfathered far up the clause.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#67161: Mar 14th 2017 at 8:44:22 AM

[up]Exactly but I see it being a slow start. It's just Finn...dude expected a bump like Batista got for playing Drax and now he's a pariah. He's taking it badly.

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#67162: Mar 14th 2017 at 8:44:23 AM

Sorry for your loss, Swanpride.

It's especially stupid because he's all saying that Trump makes it hard for people to empathize with rich white billionaires, and that's what he's blaming the bad reviews on, when... that's not what the reviews were solely complaining about? They were complaining about bad pacing and plotting and acting and fight scenes and other stuff.

PFFT [lol]

People can't empathize with rich white billionaires? Then explain Tony Stark.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#67163: Mar 14th 2017 at 8:45:03 AM

We sympathize with what a trash fire he's made of his life?

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#67164: Mar 14th 2017 at 8:58:03 AM

He says this after a Lego Batman movie just cleaned up at the box office.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#67165: Mar 14th 2017 at 9:07:37 AM

Thanks to all of you.

Well, to be fair, Tony had to get waterboarded while having a car battery stuck in his chest so that the audience would be unable to deny him sympathy. And it is actually true that Batman and Oliver Queen have both come under more scrutiny lately, though Batman a little bit more, because more and more people have started to think about the question why he doesn't use all his wealth to make Gotham less of a sh... hole. Put all the money he spends on gadgets in social programs and you have less of a problem. Oliver actually has the "got tortured for years" excuse and by the time season 2 rolled around a lot of people felt that he was acting like a spoiled brat.

So, I actually think that there is some truth to the idea that currently people have a hard time to sympathize with millionaires. But that is the job of the writers, to ensure that the audience connects with Iron Fist nevertheless. Which, in a way, shouldn't be that difficult...I mean, imagine you come home after years in a foreign culture, looking forward to see your old friends which used to be your quasi siblings, and instead of finding any welcome, you are treated like a pariah....that has to hurt. Question is if they allow Danny Rand to actually grief about any of this on screen. Taking the cypher approach is always dangerous when introducing a new character - I remember how much I hated it that Elementary started out with two characters who were hinted to have a number of secrets, because I had trouble to find a Po V character to latch onto. But then, if everything fails, there is always Claire to carry me through the show....

[up] Lego Batman is more a riff on the character, though. It follows different rules than a straight adaptations.

Btw, does anyone know who the actual writers of the show are? I can find the name of the show runner and the director, but on of the writers.....same for Inhumans.

edited 14th Mar '17 9:10:42 AM by Swanpride

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#67166: Mar 14th 2017 at 9:17:21 AM

It doesn't really matter if it's a riff. There hasn't been any noticeable drop in popularity for Batman after the election, so saying Iron Fist is getting bad reviews because people hate rich white characters now is a lame excuse.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#67167: Mar 14th 2017 at 9:19:14 AM

[up] I am not sure how you measure this.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#67168: Mar 14th 2017 at 9:37:07 AM

Last I checked people still seemed pretty stoked about Batman. And Lego Batman being a spoof is kind of irrelevant since the movie still assumes the audience has familiarity with Batman. It is very much an Affectionate Parody.

edited 14th Mar '17 9:40:29 AM by comicwriter

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#67169: Mar 14th 2017 at 9:53:52 AM

Sorry to hear about your loss.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#67170: Mar 14th 2017 at 9:58:34 AM

My sincere condolences, Swanpride.

There's also Ducktales getting a much hyped remake, and Scrooge is literally a "the rich get richer" kind of character. Sometimes he even comes with "and helps the poor get poorer" vibes too, though to be fair that's mostly in non-Ducktales stuff.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#67171: Mar 14th 2017 at 9:59:42 AM

I'm sorry, Swanpride.

And ease off, Finn. Stop grasping for excuses and let it be what it is. One person can spark an avalanche of public opinion but not hold back the flood, to mix the hell out of a metaphor.

Yeah, isn't it strange how people loved white billionaires before, and hate them now? I mean, it's not like Trump manufactured an entirely disingenuous man-of-the-people image as part of his campaign, or anything.

edited 14th Mar '17 10:01:22 AM by Unsung

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#67172: Mar 14th 2017 at 10:03:58 AM

My condolences.

[up]He just needs to stop weighing in on this because it's just making him stupid at this point.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#67173: Mar 14th 2017 at 10:26:19 AM

Thanks, you all.

I think we have established now that he is really, really bad in handling the press and all the attention. Plus, he already jinked it, with his "it's for the fans" line.

Still, I am withholding judgement concerning the actual quality of the show until enough people have seen the whole thing.

PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#67174: Mar 14th 2017 at 10:35:37 AM

If people are capable of drawing any parallels between your character and a dayglo hefty bag full of horse turds and confederate flags, then the political climate is really not the problem, and you should not have written that freaking character.

It's sorta like blaming Hitler for people not liking your characters going around gassing gay people and gypsies.

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#67175: Mar 14th 2017 at 11:22:59 AM

Yeah, all in all, Finn's just deflecting criticism in a really stupid way. People don't hate white billionaires. People hate Trump, but not because he's white and/or a billionaire.

People will continue to root for white billionaires as long as those billionaires are presented as kind-hearted, generous, and self-sacrificing figures. If anything, the opposite trend is true; people sympathize with guys like Trump where they really shouldn't, because they assume he's like a real-life Bruce Wayne ready to stomp out crime with his kind heart and infinite wealth.

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