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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#67076: Mar 10th 2017 at 2:40:08 PM

Probably worth noting she might not have gone to Sakaar on purpose and could be in hiding from someone on Sakaar now that she's stranded there.

edited 10th Mar '17 2:41:11 PM by Unsung

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#67077: Mar 10th 2017 at 4:36:27 PM

So wait, Terry Notary is playing Mephisto?

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#67078: Mar 10th 2017 at 4:40:10 PM

Why would Mephisto be Thanos's right hand bad guy?

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#67079: Mar 10th 2017 at 4:43:36 PM

Well, that's what he was doing in the original Infinity Gauntlet story.

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#67080: Mar 10th 2017 at 4:48:16 PM

There hasn't been any sort of build-up or introduction for Mephisto so I doubt they'd just plop him in. His role in the original story kind of hinged on the audience (comic readers) knowing who he was already.

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#67081: Mar 10th 2017 at 4:50:03 PM

You don't just introduce the devil as a minion.

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#67082: Mar 10th 2017 at 4:51:09 PM

They are literally just plopping Terry Notary's character in right now, that part is not up for debate. So whoever Thanos's right hand man is they will be completely unknown and unestablished.

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#67083: Mar 10th 2017 at 4:53:39 PM

They are literally just plopping Terry Notary's character in right now

Yes. Likely as a minion. Not a literal devil/Dimension Lord. One is easy to handwave away with "He's an alien who works for Thanos." The other requires a whole backstory in itself.

edited 10th Mar '17 4:54:42 PM by comicwriter

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#67084: Mar 10th 2017 at 4:56:47 PM

Wouldn't it make more sense to use someone like Corvus Glaive? True, he's a newer character, but he'd fit the "minion of Thanos" role perfectly well.

Not to mention that I believe Avengers Assemble ended up using the Black Order, so it's not like they've never been used outside of comics.

edited 10th Mar '17 4:58:01 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#67085: Mar 10th 2017 at 5:00:46 PM

[up]Pretty much exactly who it will likely end up being. Quick and easy explanation. "These are some elite bad dudes who work for Thanos. Watch them fight the Avengers." Nothing more required.

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#67086: Mar 10th 2017 at 5:10:40 PM

If they are including Corvus Glaive, I hope they include Proxima Midnight as well.

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#67087: Mar 10th 2017 at 5:37:35 PM

You need to have his minions betray him, and "he's the devil" is a pretty handy way of explaining betrayal without making the character in any way sympathetic. Besides, if he was just a minion of Thanos who wouldn't impact the plot, he wouldn't be forced by Marvel into not saying anything more.

I don't know why you think the devil is something they have to set up and establish. He's the devil. We know who he is.

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#67088: Mar 10th 2017 at 5:40:48 PM

Besides, if he was just a minion of Thanos who wouldn't impact the plot, he wouldn't be forced by Marvel into not saying anything more.

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I'm sorry. This is Marvel. Everything is a secret and guarded.

It is pretty much a meme at this point that fans hype up every secretive actor part as a huge, majorly important character from the comics, only for it to almost always be a far lesser character than they were anticipating.

edited 10th Mar '17 5:45:02 PM by comicwriter

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#67089: Mar 10th 2017 at 5:52:49 PM

I feel like this movie's got a lot to unpack as is without adding the Judeo-Christian Devil to the mix as Thanos's Jafar, but I guess they *could* do it. I'm hoping they just pick one of the henchmen with the word salad names mentioned above, though.

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#67090: Mar 10th 2017 at 5:54:16 PM

If you needed a character to betray him, Ebony Maw could do it - he's done so in the past.

Though I'm wondering if Loki might end up playing a Wild Card role somehow.

In any case, why do his minions needed to betray him?

edited 10th Mar '17 5:58:17 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#67091: Mar 10th 2017 at 5:58:11 PM

Besides the one who actually got the Gauntlet and screwed him over in the end was...wait for it....Nebula. Who is in the movie.

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#67093: Mar 10th 2017 at 6:14:01 PM

Look, that's the Simpsons. It is a decidedly different beast.

I think the MCU - which has tried to be somewhat grounded, even if they are willing to go to weirder places - going "SUDDENLY SATAN!" with no hint that such a person existed would be...kind of weird. Such a major figure, introduced as Thanos's minion no less, would feel very weird, and I think he simply ought to be built up more if they did use him.

In any case, you did not answer my question: why do Thanos's allies need to betray him?

edited 10th Mar '17 6:15:13 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#67094: Mar 10th 2017 at 6:24:44 PM

If the movie were a comedy running on Rule of Funny the example would work, I guess.

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#67095: Mar 10th 2017 at 6:33:26 PM

Nobody is saying they're not going to know who the devil is, they're saying that he would be a weird addition to an already crowded cast.

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#67096: Mar 10th 2017 at 8:21:09 PM

They actually would need to spend the time to establish Mephisto, despite basically just being the Judeo-Christian Devil. They would need to do that because, as the Judeo-Christian Devil, his sudden involvement means you need to flesh out what that actually means for the established cosmology.

Satan might be a character who is instantly familiar to a lot of people, but that still doesn't mean he can just pop up and go, "Hey," with no explanation. Neither can Sherlock Holmes. Or Dracula. Or Darth Vader. Just because the character's well-known doesn't mean you can skip establishing how and why they're here or what it means to the world that's been crafted.

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#67097: Mar 10th 2017 at 9:11:26 PM

Although if Darth Vader did just show run, I'm pretty sure everyone would shit their pants in excitement (out of universe) or fear (in universe).

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#67098: Mar 10th 2017 at 9:15:26 PM

You know if they decided to establish Star Wars and the MCU as taking place in the same universe, it would be insane, nonsensical, and kind of dumb, but I'd watch the heck out of it.

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#67099: Mar 10th 2017 at 9:16:37 PM

I half wonder how the power levels would stack up.

Goodishly, I suspect.

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#67100: Mar 10th 2017 at 9:18:33 PM

I suspect the MCU's projectile speed is a bit too fast for Star Wars to keep up with. Blaster bolts are slow as shit.

Have you seen a repulsor fire? Shit hits instantly. Try blocking that with a lightsaber.

edited 10th Mar '17 9:19:02 PM by TobiasDrake

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