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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#67001: Mar 9th 2017 at 1:17:05 PM

Sakaar is right next to a wormhole that dumps out stuff from all over the galaxy.

edited 9th Mar '17 1:17:21 PM by Tuckerscreator

PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#67002: Mar 9th 2017 at 1:22:14 PM

If they were really gonna try that excuse, it would have been the perfect situation to allow a Hulk Vs. Wolverine cameo for a fight. If we're just using wormholes to cover plotholes.

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#67003: Mar 9th 2017 at 1:46:46 PM

Pretty sure rights issues mean that won't happen.

And I don't see how that's really much of a pothole. He's kidnapped and Thor finds him.

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#67004: Mar 9th 2017 at 1:48:17 PM

[up][up] That's...arbitrary.

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#67005: Mar 9th 2017 at 1:52:49 PM

[up][up]Why? Just have Hugh Jackman cameo as a man with unbreakable claws made from a material no-one on Sakaar had ever seen, with an impossible healing factor. Even if Fox weren't even willing to try and allow a cameo, Jackman absolutely is, and that level of ambiguity would allow it.

And he isn't kidnapped, they just said that a convenient wormhole opened up on earth, swallowed him, and then immediately closed.

[up]Why is is arbitrary? If we're just saying that the wormhole produces whatever the movie needs from anywhere, why can't it produce what the fans want?

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#67006: Mar 9th 2017 at 1:53:11 PM

It doesn't have to be by accident. Perhaps someone purposefully abducted Banner and brought him there.

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#67007: Mar 9th 2017 at 1:55:27 PM

[up][up] Well, some fans might want it.

Personally, I wouldn't want him to show up. It seems gratuitous, and I'd rather stick to characters who, well, haven't appeared on film yet.

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#67008: Mar 9th 2017 at 2:01:07 PM

With that many blatant points of 'definitely wolverine who are you kidding' it would definitely lead to a lawsuit

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#67009: Mar 9th 2017 at 2:02:45 PM

It preserves the ambiguity, and I think what Drake wants is for them to commit to it in the way that the comics are fairly open about the fact that yes, both magic and superscience coexist in this universe, and no, they're not the same thing.

Basically that, yes. It pissed me off when the show introduced ghosts as antagonists and then turned around and went, "Oh, but they aren't actually ghosts. None of them are dead. They're just vaguely ghostlike supers created by a super-science box of advanced technology. There is absolutely nothing supernatural about this." That was a more traditional Doing In the Wizard, and that they continued playing coy about the nature of the Ghost Rider all the way through the end of his arc only made it more obnoxious.

edited 9th Mar '17 2:03:45 PM by TobiasDrake

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#67010: Mar 9th 2017 at 2:09:13 PM

[up][up] Yeah. I mean, all of this:

Just have Hugh Jackman cameo as a man with unbreakable claws made from a material no-one on Sakaar had ever seen, with an impossible healing factor.

is pretty much Wolverine in all but name, and I'm pretty sure that even if you don't use his name, you're still using his image (down to his fucking actor), so yeah, lawsuit.

Even if it isn't that cut and dry, why would they take such a risk for something as small as a cool cameo? This movie does not live or die on the basis of Wolverine showing up for 1-2 scenes.

edited 9th Mar '17 2:09:31 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#67011: Mar 9th 2017 at 2:13:00 PM

[up][up]Yeah there is no way I could possibly see that being legal. Unless he has a completely different hairstyle and never shows his claws, in which case what's the point?

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#67012: Mar 9th 2017 at 2:14:04 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up]So this place has the power to instantly steal anything from anywhere in the known universe without any resistance? And Thanos hasn't just conquered this place and used it to grab the infinity stones in like an hour? In the first Avengers they had to overload the tesseract remotely in order to allow Loki to go through and create a giant wormhole in the sky to carry the tesseract through, but theres a planet he could have just jumped through a hole to get it then jumped back?

edited 9th Mar '17 2:14:44 PM by PincerMove

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#67013: Mar 9th 2017 at 2:15:40 PM

It stole his motivation.

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#67014: Mar 9th 2017 at 2:17:06 PM

[up][up] You assume that this is a location that Thanos knows the existence of, one that he is capable of reaching, and one that is capable of accomplishing those tasks. For all we know, none of those are true.

edited 9th Mar '17 2:17:14 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#67015: Mar 9th 2017 at 2:22:46 PM

[up][up][up]Who said the place does the abducting? Maybe it's the Grandmaster's doing. That is one of his powers in the comics.

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#67016: Mar 9th 2017 at 2:31:45 PM

Okay, so why hasn't Thanos rolled up, kicked his ass and made him do exactly what he wants?

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#67017: Mar 9th 2017 at 2:33:26 PM

Again:

You assume that this is a location that Thanos knows the existence of, one that he is capable of reaching, and one that is capable of accomplishing those tasks. For all we know, none of those are true.

Just replace "location" with "Grandmaster".

You're making a lot of assumptions, but you don't seem to have facts to back them up.

edited 9th Mar '17 2:33:53 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#67018: Mar 9th 2017 at 2:33:27 PM

Because Karkat.

You assume that this is a location that Thanos knows the existence of, one that he is capable of reaching, and one that is capable of accomplishing those tasks. For all we know, none of those are true.

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edited 9th Mar '17 2:33:38 PM by TobiasDrake

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#67019: Mar 9th 2017 at 2:39:09 PM

[up][up][up] Maybe he can't. Or at least, can't easily.

Collecter seems rather non-action in Guardians, but remember that in the comics he and the Grandmaster are members of an ancient race of extremely powerful immortals that basically took up hobbies and obsessions to stave off insanity.

The idea that Thanos just doesn't mess with the Grandmaster because it's too much work isn't unlikely. He's already going to have to go through the trouble of wresting a stone from one Elder, having to deal with two could simply be inadvisable.

edited 9th Mar '17 2:41:35 PM by KnownUnknown

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#67020: Mar 9th 2017 at 2:45:33 PM

Its been established that even Peter Quills personal ship only takes about a week to get from one end of the universe to the other so I am not buying it being too far for him to get. He also employs spies everywhere so I'm not buying that he wouldn't hear about a being who can open rifts across time and space and steal anyone or anything from anywhere.

That leaves us with them not being able to do that, which, if you can steal Hulk when no-one knows where he is despite every organisation on the planet looking for him and being unable to find him, and with Hulk being Hulk, I still don't buy

[up]And with that, the stakes of Infinity War are lowered since we know that Thor and Hulk can beat the crap out of a being who scares even Thanos, so why should we take Thanos as a credible threat? We've ruined the hierarchy of villains.

edited 9th Mar '17 2:47:27 PM by PincerMove

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#67021: Mar 9th 2017 at 2:49:47 PM

I don't think Quill ever attempts to leave the galaxy. If I had to guess the different realms are essentially different galaxies with Midgard being the Milky Way. If Hulk is on a different realm it's probable that Thanos can't reach him by conventional means.

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#67022: Mar 9th 2017 at 2:49:55 PM

I love the Elders conceptually.

Immortality through a monomaniacal focus on a single hobby is just a great character concept.

And they're all from different races but bond because of their shared kind of immortality and make schemes to kill Galactus out of jealousy that he's older than they are.

The Elders are just so great

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#67023: Mar 9th 2017 at 2:50:07 PM

Its been established that even Peter Quills personal ship only takes about a week to get from one end of the universe to the other so I am not buying it being too far for him to get. He also employs spies everywhere so I'm not buying that he wouldn't hear about a being who can open rifts across time and space and steal anyone or anything from anywhere.

I wasn't necessarily saying too far - I was thinking that there were obstacles that he couldn't penetrate for whatever reason.

I also think it's faulty to assume that the Grandmaster is being passive in this respect - he might actually be taking steps to protect himself from Thanos or to conceal his presence from him somehow. And hey, if we're saying that Grandmaster is capable of opening rifts in space, then what's stopping him from leaving the second he hears that Thanos is in the area?

And with that, the stakes of Infinity War are lowered since we know that Thor and Hulk can beat the crap out of a being who scares even Thanos, so why should we take Thanos as a credible threat?

No one said anything about him being "scared" of Grandmaster - just that capturing him might be too much work. That doesn't have to mean "too tough" - it could easily mean "too slippery".

Plus, we don't know how Thor and Hulk will be escaping from Grandmaster, and I think now's about the right time to introduce people who have capabilities similar to Thanos.

edited 9th Mar '17 2:54:33 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#67024: Mar 9th 2017 at 2:59:36 PM

I'm laughing at so many assumptions being made about a character and technology based on a few sentences worth of info. It's complaining about supposed plot holes in a movie that hasn't come out yet.

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#67025: Mar 9th 2017 at 3:11:52 PM

Given that nobody beat up Collector in Guardians (iirc, he tanked an Infinity Stone explosion but made it out unharmed minus his collection), I don't see why the heroes have to beat up Grandmaster to escape him in Ragnarok.

Also, if Thanos could curbstomp everyone in the universe already, he wouldn't need the Gauntlet. We've already seen Eson the Searcher (though we don't know if he's still around in the present) so we know the Celestials are a thing as well.

edited 9th Mar '17 3:19:23 PM by KnownUnknown


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