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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#66976: Mar 9th 2017 at 8:35:10 AM

The more I hear about Ragnarok, the more excited I get.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
MapleSamurai Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#66977: Mar 9th 2017 at 10:29:29 AM

I'm not really sold on Hela being a Sealed Evil in a Can. While I'll admit the comedic gold mine that is the inevitable comparisons to Rita Repulsa, it feels like they're going out of their way to distance themselves from the Thor mythos' underworld, which would be irksome enough for me, but especially since I had hoped that the Thor movies would stop Doing In the Wizard after Doctor Strange explicitly confirmed that magic is actually magic.

edited 9th Mar '17 10:30:01 AM by MapleSamurai

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#66978: Mar 9th 2017 at 10:35:47 AM

I lost that hope when Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. refused to acknowledge either ghosts or the Ghost Rider as explicitly magic. Dr. Strange has changed nothing, and I'm still waiting to find out that the Darkhold is just a super-advanced Kree tech manual or something.

edited 9th Mar '17 10:36:37 AM by TobiasDrake

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#66979: Mar 9th 2017 at 10:39:55 AM

Wait, if they haven't explicitely identified Ghost Rider as making a deal with a devil, how do they explain his powers, then?

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#66980: Mar 9th 2017 at 10:42:31 AM

Another Ghost Rider showed up when he as in a seemingly fatal crash and just gave the Rider to him. The Rider spirit itself is simply explained as an entity from another dimension. The topics of Hell, the afterlife, demons, etc. are firmly avoided, save for minor jokes the characters make.

edited 9th Mar '17 10:43:24 AM by TobiasDrake

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66981: Mar 9th 2017 at 10:56:07 AM

Cate Blanchett on Hela:

Cate Blanchett doesn’t really feel like she needs to explain her character Hela in Thor: Ragnarok — she’s the Goddess of Death. Quips the actress, “I think that’s where you put the period in the sentence, right? She arrives with a lot of baggage. She’s a little bit cross.”

You gotta know the history of the character. And there are so many iterations of the origin story. For any of these characters, there’s never one origin story. But yes, it was really interesting to go back. Most of the time she was masked. So that’s what I really talked to the Marvel team and Taika about was when we would chose to have her masked and when she wouldn’t be masked.”

“She’s able to manifest weapons. Her headdress can be weapons. She can manifest weapons out of different parts of her body. I won’t tell you which — I’ll leave that hanging.”

edited 9th Mar '17 10:56:40 AM by comicwriter

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66982: Mar 9th 2017 at 11:03:43 AM

Wait, if they haven't explicitely identified Ghost Rider as making a deal with a devil, how do they explain his powers, then?
Anything supernatural is kept vague and people who don't believe in the supernatural (mainly Fitz) try to explain it away using scientific terms. It doesn't meant that the supernatural doesn't exist, it just means that people have a hard time being convinced of it.

But, I mean, it's not hard to say it's supernatural when another Ghost Rider appears and resurrects Robbie from the dead.

edited 9th Mar '17 11:04:39 AM by alliterator

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#66983: Mar 9th 2017 at 11:06:48 AM

Hela: Ahh After 10,000 years I'm free! Time to conquer Asgard!

Go Go Thor Rangers.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#66984: Mar 9th 2017 at 11:10:07 AM

There are so many options on who would be on that team though

You have Thor, Loki, Valkyrie, Sif, the Warriors Three, Jane Foster technically, Hiemdall, I wanna say Throg

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#66985: Mar 9th 2017 at 11:10:29 AM

Hulk is, of course, the Green Ranger.

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#66986: Mar 9th 2017 at 11:14:33 AM

edited 9th Mar '17 11:32:52 AM by dantecito

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66987: Mar 9th 2017 at 11:21:03 AM

So would this make Surtur into Lord Zedd? [nja] Damn, ninja'd.

edited 9th Mar '17 11:21:15 AM by alliterator

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#66988: Mar 9th 2017 at 11:33:21 AM

But, I mean, it's not hard to say it's supernatural when another Ghost Rider appears and resurrects Robbie from the dead.

At least, that's how Robbie remembers it. It's never corroborated and his own story has the gaping hole in it that he was dead while it was actually occurring.

Most stories tend to lose credibility the moment the teller claims to have died, especially when they go on to continue describing events that transpired.

edited 9th Mar '17 11:35:33 AM by TobiasDrake

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#66989: Mar 9th 2017 at 11:36:10 AM

It's not a traditional Doing In the Wizard, but the show didn't have a real reason for never saying its magic either.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#66990: Mar 9th 2017 at 11:36:22 AM

Wouldn't it make more sense for Loki to be the Green Ranger since he started out as a villain? And, y'know, wears a lot of green. I mean, I'm aware that Hulk is also green and has fought his fellow Avengers fairly recently, but he was Thor's ally beforehand. Well, more recently.

And Bruce Banner is kinda Billy-esque, let's be honest.

It would've been nice for somebody to come in and say 'Yeah, this is magic. Don't like it? Too bad." But Lucy and Eli were scientists to begin with, and pretty much everyone in SHIELD that long-term awareness of Asgardian looks-like-magic tech. It doesn't surprise me that they're not the ones to embrace the purely supernatural explanation.

Hopefully some demon or other shows up in the last pod to set them straight. Well, I mean...Not hopefully for them, but it'd be a nice to close the book on this, so to speak.

edited 9th Mar '17 12:09:41 PM by Unsung

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#66992: Mar 9th 2017 at 11:38:54 AM

[up][up][up][up] well, magic

edited 9th Mar '17 11:39:21 AM by Bocaj

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#66993: Mar 9th 2017 at 12:16:19 PM

So the Rider goes from being a demonic spirit of vengeance to an extradimensional demonic entity. I don't see how that's a case of Doing In the Wizard since the two aren't even mutually exclusive.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#66994: Mar 9th 2017 at 12:26:30 PM

It preserves the ambiguity, and I think what Drake wants is for them to commit to it in the way that the comics are fairly open about the fact that yes, both magic and superscience coexist in this universe, and no, they're not the same thing.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#66995: Mar 9th 2017 at 12:44:13 PM

THEY ARE BUT EQUAL TOOLS IN THE CLUTCHES OF

DOOM

edited 9th Mar '17 12:44:27 PM by Bocaj

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#66996: Mar 9th 2017 at 12:48:56 PM

I guess this is a way to appease skeptical viewers/Chinese censors, or merely to avoid the Fantasy Kitchen Sink.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#66997: Mar 9th 2017 at 12:55:54 PM

A more definitive answer isn't in the cards, so it's not worth thinking about much.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#66998: Mar 9th 2017 at 12:58:36 PM

I still don't get the distinction between magic and superscience.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66999: Mar 9th 2017 at 12:59:00 PM

There isn't any, but some people want there to be.

PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#67000: Mar 9th 2017 at 1:12:08 PM

Have they even attempted to explain how exactly Hulk got from in a Jet over the South Pacific/sipping coffee with Thor in Melbourne to the other side of the known universe?


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