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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#66951: Mar 8th 2017 at 9:56:44 PM

Can we maybe not make jokes about this?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#66952: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:02:09 PM

They probably and very wisely decided not to have that circumstance be in any way considered for inclusion in the MCU.

Much like they unwisely decided never to do Cap-Wolf, the fools

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66953: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:03:16 PM

The incident was entirely overblown in the comics anyway. Pym hits Janet...during a period of mental instability when he's planning on attacking the Avengers with robots and then pretending to save the day. People tend to forget that part and assume he's just a wife-beater, but he was actually literally mentally unstable. (Janet, meanwhile, manipulated Hank when he was mentally unwell in order to marry him, so she's...not actually good either.)

edited 8th Mar '17 10:03:48 PM by alliterator

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#66954: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:04:33 PM

I blame Mark Millar for this and anything else.

Oh, and Chuck Austen.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#66955: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:05:20 PM

What does Austen have to do with this?

edited 8th Mar '17 10:05:41 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#66956: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:08:31 PM

I blame Ultimate Pym more for it.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66957: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:09:08 PM

Mark Millar wrote The Ultimates which included a version of Hank Pym who was a wife-beater (and, in fact, attacked Janet with ants). And Chuck Austen wrote a run on Avengers that was terrible and included a very OOC Hank Pym, too, I believe.

I mean, can you believe that Mark Millar wrote the super bright Superman Adventures and Chuck Austen ended up working on Steven Universe?

edited 8th Mar '17 10:09:48 PM by alliterator

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#66958: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:15:50 PM

Chuck Austen ended up working on Steven Universe?

...The fuck??

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#66959: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:17:11 PM

Half of Chuck Austen's run on Avengers may as well have been a Very Special Episode about domestic abuse so that he could bring up that Hank not only hit Jan that time but apparently all the time and then have Jan and Clint have sex with Hank accidentally walking in on it.

I don't think Jan and Hank need to or even should be together but its such weird whiplash going from Busiek's run where the two are back together and taking things slow to Chuck Austen's where Jan hates Hank's fuckin guts.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66960: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:17:29 PM

[up][up]Yep, he got into animation and served as a supervising producer on Steven Universe. Which makes you think that everyone has at least something good in them.

edited 8th Mar '17 10:18:23 PM by alliterator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#66961: Mar 8th 2017 at 11:18:55 PM

Honestly, at this point Mary Jane not even being in the movie would make my day not only because I always felt that they should wait a little bit to introduce her, but because I am so tired of people setting rumours into the world and everyone is running with them as if they are facts. The whole Mary Jane thing started with one source...the same source which claimed that Chris Pine would play green lantern and implied that James Gunn was a liar when James Gunn denied his oh so sure scoop that Quill's father would be...I think it was Adam Warlock, but whoever it was, he was wrong about that one, too.

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#66962: Mar 9th 2017 at 5:25:36 AM

Speaking of, isn't Quill's dad in the film supposed to be Ego, the Living Planet? I totally want Rocket to have a snarky line about, "Your dad's literally named EGO? Well, that explains a flarkin' lot."

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66963: Mar 9th 2017 at 5:40:32 AM

I would not be surprised if Zendaya does turn out to be MJ, like at all. For one, they seem to be setting her character up as sort of a moody loner type and it was reported they plan to have her adopt a bigger role in the sequels. That sounds like a prime set-up to have Liz Allen be the unlucky first girl who ends up with someone else and have Peter and MJ hook up in the sequel.

The other is Spider-Man is like the one franchise on the planet where you couldn't possibly need to introduce a Canon Foreigner in his supporting cast. He's got dozens, if not hundreds of supporting characters you could draw from. So I'm very skeptical that they hired Zendaya, a relatively well known child actor among the Disney set, to play some random made-up character named "Michelle". This isn't Ant-Man where you kinda have to have a big chunk of his supporting cast be new characters because he has no supporting cast in the comics.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66965: Mar 9th 2017 at 5:49:02 AM

I've seen that argued but I don't really buy it. Would not be surprised if Michelle is a jock name because she thinks Mary Jane is embarrassing or something.

edited 9th Mar '17 5:49:55 AM by comicwriter

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#66966: Mar 9th 2017 at 6:03:42 AM

Besides, IIRC, Zendaya isn't Hispanic, so it'd be a little weird for her to be playing someone named Michele Gonzalez, IMO. But I don't really get why they'd keep her being Mary Jane a secret. That's just odd.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#66967: Mar 9th 2017 at 6:06:19 AM

Yeah, because Michelle sounds sooo much more tough...really?

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#66968: Mar 9th 2017 at 6:10:40 AM

[up] Haha, yeah, Michelle doesn't seem like a "jock-ish" name to me.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66969: Mar 9th 2017 at 6:13:27 AM

It was autocorrect on my phone. I typed "nickname" and somehow it ended up jock name.

But I don't really get why they'd keep her being Mary Jane a secret. That's just odd.

In theory? So they can present Liz Allen as the main love interest and treat it like a surprise when he instead doesn't end up with her. My thoughts at least.

Besides, IIRC, Zendaya isn't Hispanic, so it'd be a little weird for her to be playing someone named Michele Gonzalez, IMO.

edited 9th Mar '17 6:15:56 AM by comicwriter

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#66970: Mar 9th 2017 at 6:16:23 AM

Oh, that does make sense.

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#66971: Mar 9th 2017 at 6:24:57 AM

Didn't they racelift Ned Leeds and Flash Thompson? Unfortunately Ambiguously Brown is a thing, which is why I didn't rule out the possibility.

edited 9th Mar '17 6:25:40 AM by Cross

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66973: Mar 9th 2017 at 7:53:01 AM

EW has a more detailed rundown of the plot:

When we last saw Thor, he was flying off to figure out who was manipulating the Avengers at the end of Age of Ultron. Eventually, he hears rumblings of trouble in Asgard: His evil brother, Loki (Tom Hiddleston), has been impersonating their missing father, Odin (Anthony Hopkins). Loki’s rather lax governing leads to the reemergence of an imprisoned Hela (Cate Blanchett). Thor’s initial encounter with Hela gets him blasted to Sakaar, a barbaric planet ruled by the charming but nefarious Grandmaster (Jeff Goldblum). Valkyrie (Tessa Thompson), a tough, hard-drinking warrior hiding out on Sakaar brings the god to the Grandmaster. “Thor is a bit of a fanboy for the Valkyrie, the elite women warriors,” Hemsworth says. Thor is then forced into becoming a gladiator, which leads to his haircut and the loss of his trusty hammer.

Sakaar’s most popular and successful gladiator? Bruce Banner, a.k.a. the Hulk. Comics fans will recognize this plotline as part of the popular Planet Hulk series. “He’s much more of a character than the green rage machine you’ve seen in the Avengers movies,” Ruffalo says of this new Hulk. “He’s got a swagger. He’s like a god.”

Once Thor and Hulk unite, Ragnarok becomes a sort of road-trip film, with director Taika Waititi drawing inspiration from movies like 48 HRS., Withnail and I, and even Planes, Trains and Automobiles. The director particularly wanted to show off Hemsworth’s comedic abilities, only recently exploited in films like Vacation and Ghostbusters. “He’s so good and underutilized in that department,” Waititi says. “He’s legitimately one of the funniest things in this film.”

Fans will also see some familiar faces, like Benedict Cumberbatch’s Stephen Strange. The New York-based sorcerer met with Thor in the post-credits epilogue of Doctor Strange, and he will help the Asgardian locate Odin. Teases Feige, “There’s not a whole lot that takes place on Earth in this film, and that’s one of the things that does.”

edited 9th Mar '17 7:54:06 AM by comicwriter

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#66974: Mar 9th 2017 at 8:05:57 AM

Road trip with Hulk and Thor? I'm down.

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#66975: Mar 9th 2017 at 8:26:24 AM

Michele Gonzales in the comics is basically a Girl of the Week.

That Zendaya interprets her, would be a great example of Ascended Extra


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