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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I mean, disregarding all of that Michelle was described as "...very dry, awkward, intellectual and because she's so smart, she just feels like she doesn't need to talk to people..." by Zendaya which are not traits I would attach to MJ at all so... if she's not called Mary Jane and she doesn't act like MJ and she doesn't serve the same role as MJ... then is it really Mary Jane?
edited 8th Mar '17 8:08:10 PM by LordVatek
This song needs more love.Granted, they appear to have changed people like Ned Leeds and Flash Thompson significantly.
On the other hand, they're not hiding that they are those characters...
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You say that like there is literally any non-overlapping portion of that circle of people who hate changes made to the older stories and people who hate recasting white roles with non-white actors.
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According to the script, to do her "Face it, tiger...you just hit the jackpot" line as the postcredits scene.
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And you didn't notice that all of those traits you're reading off are coming just from Zendaya in the same interview where she, if you acknowledge she is Mary Jane, you already know she is lying to us?
edited 8th Mar '17 8:11:51 PM by PincerMove
Marvel's never given a shit about those people before. There's no bad publicity for something like that.
And if it were for that line, she wouldn't be credited as playing another named character - since that line is literally her introduction. She would probably be credited as playing an unnamed extra.
edited 8th Mar '17 8:11:52 PM by KnownUnknown
I'd really like it if you'd cite your source for that one.
Oh God! Natural light!People who try to use "They were totally in purgatory all along!" as an example of a Lying Creator are people who either didn't watch the last episode of Lost or didn't understand it.
In other news, this is awesome:
edited 8th Mar '17 8:13:04 PM by alliterator
@Thor/Valkyrie
My bad, most of the sites reporting it were sites like ComicBook.com or ScreenRant but as far as actual studio information goes the IBT
indicates that even if Thor might have a little UST with Valkyrie they don't plan on having her take over Jane's role as love interest, at least not now.
By the way, it's entire possible Zendaya is playing a canon character.
It also aptly describes what we saw of her in the trailer, so that's one point in favor of her telling the truth.
Of course, this is all being a big conspiracy on the studio's part would explain that, but again, you've provided no actual evidence - only conjecture.
Also that.
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A version of the script that leaked early last year. They swapped out Harry Osborne for Ned Leeds, but apart from that, everything you see in that script has since been vindicated by the trailers.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Spiderman/comments/4jxbll/spoilers_spiderman_homecoming_plot_leaks/
edited 8th Mar '17 8:19:45 PM by PincerMove
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I find that dubious: that summary mentions both J. Jonah Jameson and Norman Osborn, and I do not believe we have heard casting announcements for either of them, or indeed mentions of them at all. Now, Osborn I can picture them keeping under wraps, but Jameson they absolutely would have announced by now - I see nothing they would gain from keeping him a secret.
It also doesn't seem to have any mention of Tony in the Iron Man suit, nor does it seem to acknowledge the more intellectual approach they appear to be taking with Flash this time.
Plus, if Harry really has been replaced by Ned...well, that seems like it kind of guts the Oscorp stuff they mention.
And really, it cites 4chan. In what world is this reliable?
edited 8th Mar '17 8:30:37 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!That looks a lot like the the plot of Amazing 1 and Sandman's story in Spider-Man 3 mashed together. And there's a lot of important content missing that would probably have still been in the movie come halfway through last year.
Some of the scenes sort of match up to the trailer scenes, but only if you're specifically trying to interpret them that way: the writer didn't hit anything on the head, a few of the things they described were just general enough to be easily appropriated.
Also, from a film writing point of view, that sort of introduction for Mary Jane is terrible - literally only being introduced as the hot reward for Peter's failed romance at the very end without lead-in beforehand? It works for the comics because it's a sequential format that can develop these things in time (and even then, it didn't exactly progress like that), so the sudden introduction is accepted right away as not all there is to the character. But a film can't do that - in a film, that would literally just be it.
edited 8th Mar '17 8:35:44 PM by KnownUnknown
Yeah, there's basically no reason to believe Zendaya's playing Mary Jane, as awesome as it would be if it was true. While there's certainly no way to disprove the assertion that they're totes lying to us about everything, the same claim can be said of anything. Technically, you can't prove that Tessa Thompson isn't playing Mary Jane in Thor: Ragnarok either. But you don't have to, because there's no reason to think she would be.
And we are long past the point where it used to be considered unthinkable for MJ to get snubbed out of an adaptation.
edited 8th Mar '17 8:33:17 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Featuring such dialogue as: "Face it, Tiger, you just hit the jackpot...of female characters, I guess. Also, I think I might be Tigra."
Has anyone ever used the face it tiger line on Tigra and if not why not??
Forever liveblogging the AvengersOh, another thing - nothing in that "script leak" mentions MJ appearing at any time prior to the end of the movie, where this is clearly not the case with Michelle.
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...So did anyone tell Michael Douglas that part of his character before he went into the role? Because I know they can write around it, but it would kind of suck to find that out after you did the movie.

I mean, I'd be perfectly fine with Zendaya playing Mary Jane - hell, I might even love it. I just dislike taking it for granted. It's certainly possible, but there are other explanations.
That said, apparently Lupita Nyong'o will be playing T'Challa's love interest, as reported by The Hollywood Reporter
, so my mistake there. Of course, this is the only place that I've seen this be mentioned, so I suppose it's possible that this might not be accurate or that it could have been changed, but I have no real reason to assume that - we'll know for certain once trailers and stuff start coming out.
edited 8th Mar '17 8:07:35 PM by KarkatTheDalek
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