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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
Time Stranger
#66801: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:17:16 AM

[up]They've concept art of it so maybe she'll have it on at some point.

35 year old white man.
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#66802: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:18:15 AM

@alliterator @sharknado: I don't need to watch the show to realize it's gonna be awful when multiple reviews of the show are basically saying as much.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#66803: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:19:44 AM

[up]Average and not the whole series.

But please, continue being self-righteous in the corner. I like to think the fallout from this affected Inhumans' casting, but at this point what are you accomplishing?

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#66804: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:20:11 AM

Besides, the majority of the show's problematic elements have been effectively self-evident for months now.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66805: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:21:05 AM

I don't need to watch the show to realize it's gonna be awful when multiple reviews of the show are basically saying as much.
The reviews for the first six episodes say it's just boring. If I went off of the reviews for the first six episodes, I would have never watched Agents of SHIELD and that show turned into something completely awesome.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#66806: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:22:47 AM

...So, Ragnarok sounds like it'll be fun.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#66807: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:23:51 AM

[up]I was a big fan of What We Do in the Shadows and it looks like they're leveraging that and Hemsworth's own acting skills. It will certainly be different.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#66808: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:27:18 AM

Hopefully it will redeem the Thor franchise. I have pretty high hopes. smile Hela seems like she'll be cool.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66809: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:33:22 AM

How about we let everyone feel how they feel about this show and not be kneejerk defensive about it. Marvel's a big kid now, they can weather some criticism.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#66810: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:34:47 AM

[up] Exactly.

Let people criticize Marvel for racially tone-deaf writing and bad acting. It's not the end of the world if someone does.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66811: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:38:52 AM

They've concept art of it so maybe she'll have it on at some point.

They mentioned she does wear the crown and they're using CGI on it. I'm assuming this is just Marvel's grand tradition of having characters not wear headgear on the posters.tongue

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66812: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:40:18 AM

[up][up]Except for the fact that the show hasn't come out yet. I would gladly accept your opinion if it was your opinion (i.e. you had actually seen it and hated it) and not the opinion of others.

Again, this is like people criticizing Agents of SHIELD for being boring without actually watching it and only reading reviews of the first six episodes.

edited 8th Mar '17 10:41:26 AM by alliterator

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#66813: Mar 8th 2017 at 10:52:10 AM

As noted, there was already discontent with the show well before anyone had actually seen it. That the first six episodes have been reviewed as bland and uninteresting is just icing on the cake.

Honestly, people probably wouldn't be taking this much schadenfreude over it if we hadn't been hearing since day one, "Don't criticize the casting! You're not allowed to criticize it until it's out! You can't PROVE that Danny doesn't rip off his mask five minute in and become Jackie Chan! It's probably going to be so good that it immediately absolves it of all criticism! Just wait until it's out and stop whining!"

Well now people who have seen it are also saying it's shit, so that's just fun.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66814: Mar 8th 2017 at 11:00:31 AM

Oh, you are absolutely able to criticize the casting. I was one of them, too. I wanted an Asian-American Iron Fist. Because the casting is something you are actually able to see.

But as soon as you say "The writing and acting are shit!" without actually seeing the show, that's something else.

If your complaint about the show was solely based on the casting, fine. If your complaint about the show is that it's terrible and you haven't seen the show, well, again, that's something else completely.

edited 8th Mar '17 11:03:13 AM by alliterator

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#66815: Mar 8th 2017 at 11:07:08 AM

Are reviews of tv shows or movies not supposed to be credible? Again, if the reviews are saying that it's crap and not worth wasting time on, then why should I bother even watching it? Your argument about this is really bad.

edited 8th Mar '17 11:27:46 AM by higherbrainpattern

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#66816: Mar 8th 2017 at 11:12:05 AM

Reviewers aren't like these magical gospel prophets of public opinion. It's entirely possible and valid to disagree with the reviews, much like how critics can (and should) frequently disagree with each other.

I mean, I don't really expect to differ with them much myself based on the consensus we've got so far or my own lukewarm response based on the previews, but I'm still going to check out the show for myself. I don't really hold out much hope personally, but if others do, then that's fair enough. You don't need to be so confrontational about it.

edited 8th Mar '17 11:23:07 AM by Unsung

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#66817: Mar 8th 2017 at 11:12:30 AM

[up]The issue isn't the reviews itself, but that it's only the first half of the series so people (me) are hoping it pulls an Agents of SHIELD and comes together in the second half.

Also I want to think that this affected Inhumans' casting which would be positive.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#66818: Mar 8th 2017 at 11:14:05 AM

How about this - I haven't seen the show, but what I've heard doesn't fill me with confidence.

Though granted, out of all of the Netflix shows, Iron Fist was the one I was least interested in...

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#66819: Mar 8th 2017 at 11:20:09 AM

I have Netflix and It's only 10 days away. When I have no access to the media I use reviews to gather a consensus of opinion, but since I can watch it I'll be patient.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66820: Mar 8th 2017 at 11:52:00 AM

Nine images from Ragnarok, including the first look at Jeff Goldblum as the Grandmaster.

edited 8th Mar '17 11:52:15 AM by comicwriter

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#66821: Mar 8th 2017 at 11:56:04 AM

I still have trouble believing that's real

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#66822: Mar 8th 2017 at 11:59:47 AM

[up][up] Looks amazing.

Thank you based Taika.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#66823: Mar 8th 2017 at 12:02:50 PM

I'm probably gonna binge the Marvel Netflix shows before The Defenders is released, so I'm gonna wait and give my opinions later. As for Iron Fist, every bit of good faith, no matter how little, I had for it keeps dropping. The reviews make me feel like it'll be supremely shitty, and while I want to wait and see all of the show before formulating my own opinion, I'm not confident in it being any degree of good.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66824: Mar 8th 2017 at 12:32:36 PM

Here's an interesting review: Danny Rand is Marvel’s Dumb, Idiot Man-Child Batman''."

It really sounds like they are trying to do something different with Danny, portray him as a lot more naive than the other Defenders, which may or may not work. Colleen Wing, however, sounds awesome:

Henwick’s Colleen Wing feels like the most fully-realized character, as someone who matches Danny’s world for both wits and fists. Like Danny, Colleen only truly comes alive in the middle of a fight, but unlike our immortal Iron Fist, she displays an interior life beyond the ring.

It also does sound like the show is going for a much slower burn than the other shows, so the second half might be much better.

Oh and this review actually liked the hallway fight, even if it was one of the few fights that was interesting:

There was a real opportunity here to up the visual ante before Defenders, and while occasional moments keep things lively, like the requisite hallway fight turning into a split-screen elevator battle, truly dynamic sequences are few and far between.

edited 8th Mar '17 12:33:35 PM by alliterator

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Lost in Space
#66825: Mar 8th 2017 at 1:03:58 PM

Hey, folks. I know it's tempting to use poor reviews and negative buzz to launch into tirades against creators and generally proclaim a work to be crap, sight-unseen, but it's also toxic to quality conversations. I'm throwing this out there because it's preferable to having to sort through several pages of posts to see which merit thumps.

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