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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#66751: Mar 7th 2017 at 7:01:34 AM

I am Groot and so can you

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#66752: Mar 7th 2017 at 7:07:25 AM

The issue with the Passion is that there's no context for the suffering - It's just the suffering. Context is necessary, especially when playing to a general audience.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#66753: Mar 7th 2017 at 7:18:19 AM

let's just say everything involving Steve and Bucky and what happened to them is a heart breaker, up to the big showdown with Tony

Seriously. The drama between Steve and Bucky is so strong in that movie that it even bleeds over to Tony. It doesn't matter whose side you're on, Civil War will break your heart.

"He's my friend." "...so was I." sad

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#66754: Mar 7th 2017 at 7:22:59 AM

Hell, the look on Sam's face when Rhodey fell broke my heart. He must have been remembering Riley. sad

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#66755: Mar 7th 2017 at 7:41:25 AM

Oh god, that never occurred to me. Poor Sam.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66756: Mar 7th 2017 at 9:21:57 AM

Did soldiers dying in Captain America have the same impact as soldiers dying in Hacksaw Ridge?
It had about the same impact, because I have no idea who the soldiers in Hacksaw Ridge were. We learned almost nothing about them. All we learned was about the main character. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but it has about the same impact as Captain America did.

Also, did someone really try to say they have no connection to Jesus?
Not everyone is Christian. (Personally, I am a Jewish atheist.)

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#66758: Mar 7th 2017 at 9:29:41 AM

Being Jewish is a culture and ethnicity as well as a religion.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66759: Mar 7th 2017 at 9:34:04 AM

Isn't that a contradiction?
Surprisingly, nope.

PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#66760: Mar 7th 2017 at 11:00:49 AM

I have a whole list of heart-breaking scene which have nothing to do with dying...
Thats nice. What does that have to do with the criticism that deaths in these movies are unimpactful and overused? This is like arguing that the music doesn't suck cause the sets are pretty.

edited 7th Mar '17 11:01:22 AM by PincerMove

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#66761: Mar 7th 2017 at 11:01:33 AM

Guy, we aren't interested in Mel Gibson.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66762: Mar 7th 2017 at 11:13:13 AM

I'll ask again why this is even an issue close to 3 months after the initial controversy. If we had debates about every rando's criticism of the MCU we'd be here all day.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#66763: Mar 7th 2017 at 11:22:55 AM

[up][up][up] Because there was a side discussion that a story doesn't need death to be impactful

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PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#66764: Mar 7th 2017 at 11:50:42 AM

But if the movie has death, I it SHOULD be impactful.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#66765: Mar 7th 2017 at 11:55:59 AM

And I've felt that the MCU has been fairly good about that.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#66766: Mar 7th 2017 at 12:00:41 PM

Posting this video, not just because of catharsis, but also because it addresses two of the most common complaints about Civil War's plot.

1. Why was there conveniently a camera at the Starks' assassination? Because Howard was driving to a government facility to deliver his prototype superserum.

2. Why didn't Zemo just send Tony the footage of Bucky killing his parents? Because Zemo had just gotten it by the time Cap and Tony arrived.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#66768: Mar 7th 2017 at 12:54:04 PM

Man, I really want to watch Civil War again

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#66769: Mar 7th 2017 at 1:23:40 PM

Though he made some mistakes himself with his nitpicks...Sam actually kicks the two guys and then kicks one of those two guys again, so he takes out two, not three like he says. And Zemo is talking that slowly because he actually don't speak any Russian and has to make sure that he is pronouncing the words correctly. We see him train it earlier in the movie, there is no way that he can just rush this.

But there is really something very satisfying whenever Cinemasins gets called out on his BS.

edited 7th Mar '17 1:24:10 PM by Swanpride

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#66770: Mar 7th 2017 at 6:32:58 PM

[up] Yeah, I really dislike Cinema Sins ever since their Tangled video. Total BS to fill the time. And has the audacity to not make the video boring to watch.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#66771: Mar 7th 2017 at 7:20:34 PM

Which one was Sam again?

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#66772: Mar 7th 2017 at 7:22:56 PM
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#66773: Mar 7th 2017 at 7:24:00 PM

Was Sam also from Steve's time or is he from the modern age?

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#66774: Mar 7th 2017 at 7:31:10 PM

So am I the only one that never really got into the "so was I" line? I feel like I'm some kind of soulless monster for having the reaction, every time I hear it, of "No you weren't." I never get the feeling that Movie Steve and Movie Tony are the buddies Civil War wants me to believe they are. 90 percent of their time shared onscreen is either passive aggressive or outright antagonistic.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#66775: Mar 7th 2017 at 7:42:42 PM

*shrugs* Some of my truest friends are the ones I've fought the most with. And against.

Also there's something to be said about how Tony considers himself Steve's friend but Steve doesn't necessarily know it. They both take it for granted, in different ways— Steve thinks of Tony as a fellow soldier, a comrade, so he doesn't view his actions as a personal betrayal, while Tony has a lot of superficial charm but few true friends, and isn't very good at letting those few people know that they matter to him (see Pepper, Happy...uh, that's kind of it). It's that sense of alienation that lets this version of Tony get along so well with Bruce Banner, I think.

edited 7th Mar '17 8:26:46 PM by Unsung


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