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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#66727: Mar 5th 2017 at 9:39:01 PM

wild mass guess He wears his mask when he is busy reigning so that he can sneak out without the mask and mix with his people once in a while.

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#66728: Mar 5th 2017 at 9:56:11 PM

He wears the mask because it looks awesome. It's like his crown.

...That's a guess, I don't actually know a ton about the Inhumans.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#66729: Mar 6th 2017 at 1:49:11 AM

So... Lockjaw and Black Bolt outside a Starbucks. I know fuck all about the Inhumans, but that requires and explanation. I'm sure it's quite a story waii.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66730: Mar 6th 2017 at 4:33:28 AM

In dont mind the lack of mask but give him SOMETHING. Right now he just looks like a kid shopping at Hot Topic.

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#66731: Mar 6th 2017 at 4:57:05 AM

Why does he wear a mask in his day to day life anyway?

Why do any of the X-Men wear masks? The answer is that he wears a mask because he was created at a time in the superhero genre where all characters were obligated to wear stupid masks and costumes and have superhero code names regardless of how much sense it makes.

Same reason his name is Black Bolt, in fact. Because it sounds superhero-ey, even though he's supposed to be the sovereign monarch of a people.

edited 6th Mar '17 4:57:43 AM by TobiasDrake

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#66732: Mar 6th 2017 at 5:38:44 AM

With the X-Men there was at least an excuse at one point that they were trying to hide identities and not draw attention to themselves and the school. Black Bolt has no civilian identity and doesn't even live in human society, so it was always kind of pointless.

That said, I hope this outfit is just like some informal gear he dons while exploring Earth or something. Because that'd be extremely disappointing if it were meant to be his proper costume, particularly when they keep bragging about this show being a movie-level event that just happens to be on TV.

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#66733: Mar 6th 2017 at 7:30:23 AM

I mean, most characters don't wear arbitrary masks and costumes in the movies either. Captain America doesn't wear his Cap suit when he goes out drinking. Thor's helmet appeared once as a throwaway and then never came back. Not one Guardian of the Galaxy has ever worn that blue and yellow uniform they had in the comics, and Peter Quill only puts his helmet on when he needs to breathe in space.

I don't see why Black Bolt would be any different. What concerns me more is the absence of his tuning fork. I always assumed that was actually a part of his face.

edited 6th Mar '17 7:33:05 AM by TobiasDrake

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66734: Mar 6th 2017 at 8:55:56 AM

I always assumed that was actually a part of his face.
It is. When we see him maskless, he still has it. That might change in the show or they might put it in using CGI or something.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66735: Mar 6th 2017 at 9:21:22 AM

[up][up]I don't care about the lack of mask. It's that the suit itself looks extremely boring. It looks like something out of a CW show. Not a modern one where they've embraced putting people in colorful tights or masks, like The Flash either. I'm talking like, fucking Smallville or some garbage like that.

Colleen Wing poster.

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#66736: Mar 6th 2017 at 12:20:38 PM

I just want one person making a joke about Black Bolt looking like Gene Simmons from Kiss.

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#66737: Mar 6th 2017 at 2:38:11 PM

Anyone who makes that joke might have the misfortune of hearing him sing.

I mean, they'll certainly be blown away by it....

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#66738: Mar 6th 2017 at 2:43:55 PM

For a second I thought you meant the misfortune of hearing Gene Simmons sing and I was about to laugh so goddamn hard about it.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66739: Mar 6th 2017 at 3:17:33 PM

The cast of Black Panther threw a Coming to America-themed birthday party for Lupita Nyong'o, and it's kind of amazing.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#66740: Mar 6th 2017 at 3:23:08 PM

Oh wow. [lol]

I had long thought to myself that T'Challa/Wakanda were oddly similar to Murphy's character in that movie and the fictional country he was from. Amused to see that the cast made that same connection.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#66741: Mar 6th 2017 at 8:45:14 PM

Ahaha, that's adorable. Please tell me one of them tried pulling a Saul.

PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#66742: Mar 7th 2017 at 1:39:35 AM

Regarding Mel Gibsons comments about the MCU, I'm pretty sure what he meant was you don't give a shit about the characters who are killed. Which, yes, is true. A death in Apocalypto is brutal and hits hard because you have a connection to the character dying. Meanwhile, outside of maybe Quicksilver, and even then only maybe, did you ever care about a death in that universe? Did soldiers dying in Captain America have the same impact as soldiers dying in Hacksaw Ridge?

Also, did someone really try to say they have no connection to Jesus?

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#66743: Mar 7th 2017 at 1:43:28 AM

I do not care about Jesus (is writing a hypothetical anime where Jesus Christ is a surprise antagonist).

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#66744: Mar 7th 2017 at 2:40:54 AM

[up][up] I certainly do care, and not just about Quicksilver...seeing Howard's death was heart-breaking to me and I can't believe I am that sad about Peggy dying peacefully at a ridiculous old age. And don't get me started on the various characters which already died in Agents of Shield. Or in Agent Carter, which might have the highest killing count of any show so far, despite having the lowest number of episodes. Than there is Urich...you can't tell me that you didn't care about him dying.

Also, it bears repeating that death is not the only way to get an emotional response from the audience.

PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#66745: Mar 7th 2017 at 3:32:44 AM

...the duck? He died?

Peggy Carter died off screen and of old age. T Hats not even close to the same thing and you know it.

And he wasn't talking about the shows he was talking about the films. T Hose things people actually see.

Yeah, death is not the only way to get a response from people. But death, violence and chaos is absolutely being used here, and if its not eliciting a response, then its being used poorly. Just compare the emotional reactions from Wallace being hung in Braveheart with the even more violent slaughter of Helen and her team, a scene that left so little impact you don't know what the hell I'm talking about.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66746: Mar 7th 2017 at 4:59:01 AM

Also, did someone really try to say they have no connection to Jesus?

You do know there are quite a few people who aren't christians right?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#66747: Mar 7th 2017 at 5:41:40 AM

[up][up] I hated Bravehard. When I saw it, I felt it was nationalist nonsense (and I say that as someone who is very sympathetic towards the Scots) and it glorified violence to a degree that it was an uncomfortable watch. I disliked the ideology of the movie so much, I haven't seen a single Mel Gibson directed movie since then...and that was before I learned that he actual believes in that nonsense and it wasn't an accidental undertone. Or maybe it was accidental, but he was the source. Either way, he is hardly the right people to comment on how you make the audience empathise with the characters on screen.

But I certainly did empathise with the scene when Bucky kills Howard and Maria. The whole thing was horrifying, from Howard recognizing him shortly before he died (and remember, that is the guy who never stopped searching for Steve) to Maria having to watch him getting killed while being trapped in the car and not being able to do anything when Bucky steps around to strangle her to the knowledge that Bucky now remembers what he did and has to live with it.

edited 7th Mar '17 5:44:02 AM by Swanpride

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#66748: Mar 7th 2017 at 6:25:33 AM

Let's put it like this: I cared more about Antony the ant dying than Jesus Christ dying in the Passion. That movie was just a grindhouse flick of bad gorn with a hamfisted message.

And yes, I'm an atheist, before you ask.

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#66749: Mar 7th 2017 at 6:34:31 AM

No dying involved but I felt more emotionally moved by Rocket's drunken breakdown in GOTG then anything from Mel Gibson

Also at this point Groot's death probably does count as a death because baby Groot does seem like his own individual

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#66750: Mar 7th 2017 at 6:53:31 AM

I have a whole list of heart-breaking scene which have nothing to do with dying....Tony realizing that Stane has betrayed him.....Steve "loosing" Bucky, and then his good-bye to Peggy and him waking up in the future, seeing Peggy again, him having to fight Bucky, and Peggy dying and...let's just say everything involving Steve and Bucky and what happened to them is a heart breaker, up to the big showdown with Tony......also Loki realising that he is an ice giant and his face when Odin tells him "no" shortly before he tries to kill himself (for Loki being a villain there are a lot of scenes in which I feel for him, I even feel for him grieving over his mother even though he helped to cause her death in the first place).....

We...are....Groot......


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