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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66676: Mar 2nd 2017 at 2:13:12 PM

I am not sure if the "love" at the Saturn Award is worth mentioning just yet, considering that more or less everything Comic book related is somewhere nominated.

Not really, no. The specific categories for comic-to-screen adaptations include pretty much everything as a matter of formality (since on any given year you don't know how many comic book movies or TV shows will actually be released), but not the acting, directing, writing or technical categories, hence Margot Robbie being the only DC actress to get nominated for anything and neither Zack Snyder or David Ayer getting nominations in the directing or writing categories.

[up][up]I think you're overthinking things. I wouldn't be surprised if they consciously went with an Asian actor just so they didn't have the same complaints they've been getting with Iron Fist or to a lesser degree, the Ancient One.

edited 2nd Mar '17 2:42:40 PM by comicwriter

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#66677: Mar 2nd 2017 at 2:44:04 PM

I like Daniel Dae Kim but casting him as a guy who can't talk seems like a waste personally. The weird thing is that Karnak and Black Bolt are supposed to be cousins meaning Karnak should be part white or Black Bolt should be part Asian in this continuity.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66678: Mar 2nd 2017 at 2:47:25 PM

I'd mentioned Kim somewhere else when it was first said one of the main characters would be played by a former LOST star, but someone responded by saying he has a new pilot coming up so probably wouldn't be available.

And you know, Fake Mixed Race and all that.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#66679: Mar 2nd 2017 at 2:52:53 PM

The entire royal family is a family so whatever

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#66681: Mar 2nd 2017 at 5:32:07 PM

[up]Nope.

Maximus is the adopted, because is evil.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#66682: Mar 2nd 2017 at 6:24:34 PM

neither Zack Snyder or David Ayer getting nominations in the directing or writing categories.

Had to. tongue

KingNomarch Since: Oct, 2015
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66684: Mar 3rd 2017 at 1:01:49 PM

Told ya the worries about Karnak were overthinking things.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66685: Mar 3rd 2017 at 1:14:29 PM

For those who don't want to read the article:

Interestingly, I believe Auran comes from the more recent Inhuman comics by Charles Soule, while the rest are classic Inhumans characters.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#66686: Mar 3rd 2017 at 1:54:55 PM

Still though it makes me wonder if all the other castings show they're not opposed to doing the Race Lift for these previously white Inhuman characters in general why not do them for the main royal couple?

I can definitely get Medusa because her appearance basically is her huge red hair, and while red hair is a trait that definitely exists in other groups such as Southeast Asians, it's primarily assumed by just about everyone to be an Indo-European, mostly European, trait. But Black Bolt's appearance has never really been that iconic outside of the suit itself for it to matter what race he and his brother are.

Not really mad, especially since while I like Black Bolt he's never been the most engaging character to me. But it does seem like a lost opportunity for added visibility.

edited 3rd Mar '17 1:55:50 PM by AlleyOop

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#66687: Mar 3rd 2017 at 2:03:16 PM

[up][up] Meh. I can't even bring myself to get excited ever since they downgraded the Inhumans from a movie to a TV show.

Just....meh.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66688: Mar 3rd 2017 at 2:16:53 PM

I'm actually probably more excited than I would have been otherwise, since the fuckery with the X-Men left the bad taste in my mouth. At least now I don't have to pay to see the Inhumans.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#66689: Mar 3rd 2017 at 2:20:03 PM

Honestly, same here. Unless the movie is about Inhumanity and set amidst a Mass Super-Empowering Event that paves the way for Phase 4 to deal with the aftermath, I don't think they could manage an interesting enough story with the royal family to get me to watch that wouldn't be better suited to Black Panther. And it's looking more and more like that isn't going to be the case.

edited 3rd Mar '17 2:20:46 PM by AlleyOop

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#66690: Mar 3rd 2017 at 2:28:41 PM

Still though it makes me wonder if all the other castings show they're not opposed to doing the Race Lift for these previously white Inhuman characters in general why not do them for the main royal couple?

When it comes right down to it, Hollywood is fine with any number of supporting characters being any number of races as long as the main characters are white.

Marvel Race Lifting their main characters is rare in the first place.

edited 3rd Mar '17 2:29:21 PM by KnownUnknown

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#66691: Mar 3rd 2017 at 2:43:07 PM
Thumped: This post was thumped by moderation to preserve the dignity of the author.
KingNomarch Since: Oct, 2015
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#66693: Mar 3rd 2017 at 7:27:31 PM

[up][up][up] Truth.

[up][up] Hollywood barely even feels the need an excuse to whitewash characters - they certainly don't feel the need to have one before keeping them white.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#66694: Mar 3rd 2017 at 10:45:15 PM

Reread the real name of the Inhumans characters made me realize how shitty their writers came up with fictional name, especially with the royal family.

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#66695: Mar 3rd 2017 at 11:30:13 PM

Blackagar Boltagon.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66696: Mar 4th 2017 at 1:21:23 AM

100 Character Names in the Model of Blackagar Boltagon. My favorite is "Rocketagar Raccoonagon."

It's also hilarious that they have both "Medusa" (living hair, makes sense) and "Gorgon" (goat legs, doesn't make sense) as names.

Bongi from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2016
#66697: Mar 4th 2017 at 4:37:18 AM

Strange that they cast a non-martial artist actor as a martial artist character and cast a martial artist actor as a non-martial artist character. Wonder what brought that on?

Boom...
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#66698: Mar 4th 2017 at 5:37:07 AM

Who is the martial artist playing a non martial artist?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66699: Mar 4th 2017 at 6:32:24 AM

Mike Moh, the actor playing Triton.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie

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