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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#66651: Mar 1st 2017 at 10:12:07 PM

So Evans is the only person to be in Disney, Warner Bros and Fox's superhero movies?

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
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#66653: Mar 2nd 2017 at 5:45:11 AM

It will make it back. Whatever the budget is, it will make the money back. It's goddamned Infinity War. Approximately everyone on Earth is going to see it, plus denizens from numerous alien worlds. Twice.

There will be congressmen on the news ranting about Xenonians from the Klatoon Nebula illegally entering the planet and taking theater seats away from hard-working humans. That's how big this is going to be.

edited 2nd Mar '17 5:47:29 AM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#66654: Mar 2nd 2017 at 6:28:40 AM

As the article rightly points out, the money will be split between two movies, but still, 500 million is double the budget you usually have for the big blockbusters - at least officially. On the other hand, though, both movies are expected to do at least double that much, and I guess they will this time not follow the "double the money for the marketing" thumb rule. And then there is all the merch they will able to sell....still, those movies better hit something around the 1,5 billion mark.

To be fair, a lot of the money will go to the actors. It is simply expensive if you have a highly prolific actor with a hefty pay check in nearly each role.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#66655: Mar 2nd 2017 at 7:32:37 AM

$1 billion?!

So clearly this movie will change space and time as we know it.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#66656: Mar 2nd 2017 at 7:37:56 AM

Not only will it change space and time, its power will alter the minds and souls of everyone who sees it and it will shake the very foundations of reality itself.

This song needs more love.
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#66657: Mar 2nd 2017 at 7:38:15 AM

It kind of already did, to bring this cast together.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#66658: Mar 2nd 2017 at 7:40:52 AM

Does anyone know what you could do with 1 billion dollars? Why, with 1 billion dollars, I could, I don't know, maybe pay off my debt; get that new mattress I always wanted; feed a whole small nation, etc. Instead, we're getting two Superhero blockbusters that probably have a bigger budget put together than an actual small nation. One has to wonder if it's truly worth the cost. (And the answer is: No. No it isn't. But you won't see me complaining when I actually sit down and watch the fucking things, because they'll be too awesome for me to care.tongue)

edited 2nd Mar '17 7:41:44 AM by kkhohoho

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66659: Mar 2nd 2017 at 8:28:17 AM

I'm somewhat skeptical, even given the source. Yes, there are all the other things to factor in like merchandise sales and spin-offs but it still seems like pointlessly narrowing down your profit margin. Each film would have to gross at least a billion (which is fine since Avengers, AOU and Civil War all did) but they also didn't cost 500 million each. You would think they would want the grand finale of their first 3 phases to be something that definitely gives them a big profit. It's also possible they're also including the budget for Black Panther since it is shooting at the same time as both Infinity War movies.

[up]The only thing I can really think of is casting budget, and even then I seriously cannot imagine the actors would require another 200 plus million just to get them all together.

edited 2nd Mar '17 8:31:46 AM by comicwriter

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#66660: Mar 2nd 2017 at 8:34:40 AM

I think that's understating the boost star power can generate, plus the synergy of having everyone's favourite character in one movie. Avengers and Civil War did about 1.5B each worldwide, and if they advertise it right, this does have the potential to be a moviegoing event, a you've-come-this-far sort of thing.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#66661: Mar 2nd 2017 at 8:46:52 AM

Does that include marketing? Because then I get it. If marketing has its own budget I half expect them to shoot an ad into the moon.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#66662: Mar 2nd 2017 at 8:58:54 AM

If the article's right and it's 500B for each rather than 1B just for Infinity War, then while that's still crazy, it still seems within spec for the number of big-name actors involved and the sheer volume of special effects they're going to need.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#66663: Mar 2nd 2017 at 9:41:59 AM

It's also unclear whether that budget is strictly production budget or if it includes marketing costs.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66664: Mar 2nd 2017 at 10:41:43 AM

Again I'll just say I wouldn't be surprised if the billion is the total figure for all three movies currently filming.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66665: Mar 2nd 2017 at 11:21:44 AM

The Saturn Award nominations are out and there's quite a lot of MCU love. Civil War and Doctor Strange are nominated for best comic-to-film adaptation, Chris Evans and Benedict Cumberbatch are nominated for best actor, Chadwick Boseman is nominated for best supporting actor, Scarjo and Tilda Swinton are nominated for best supporting actress, and Tom Holland is nominated for best younger actor.

On the TV side, Daredevil and Luke Cage are both nominated for best new media series, and Charlie Cox and Mike Colter are nominated for best actor.

edited 2nd Mar '17 11:23:21 AM by comicwriter

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66666: Mar 2nd 2017 at 12:00:02 PM

Ken Leung has been cast as Karnak. He's the LOST alum who was alluded to previously.

edited 2nd Mar '17 12:13:10 PM by comicwriter

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66667: Mar 2nd 2017 at 1:08:27 PM

On the one hand: Ken Leung is awesome and I can totally see him snarking it up as Karnak.

On the other hand: it's kind of weird that so far the only non-white cast member is the martial artist and they cast someone Asian. Hopefully, this will be rectified with other non-white cast members.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66668: Mar 2nd 2017 at 1:28:29 PM

If they'd done the opposite people would have had the same complaints they did with Iron Fist.

edited 2nd Mar '17 1:28:42 PM by comicwriter

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66669: Mar 2nd 2017 at 1:30:00 PM

If they cast someone white for Karnak, but non-white for Black Bolt or Medusa, I don't think people would have complained. (Personally, I was hoping for Daniel Dae Kim for Black Bolt.)

edited 2nd Mar '17 1:30:42 PM by alliterator

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#66670: Mar 2nd 2017 at 1:32:29 PM

Well, Karnak doesn't look Asian in the comics and Ken Leung isn't a martial artist unless he's been taking lessons recently, so, um.. Yeah.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#66672: Mar 2nd 2017 at 1:36:00 PM

I am not sure if the "love" at the Saturn Award is worth mentioning just yet, considering that more or less everything Comic book related is somewhere nominated.

Plus, I am kind of fuming that the script of Doctor Strange is nominated at all, it was the weakest aspect of the movie by far.

edited 2nd Mar '17 1:38:27 PM by Swanpride

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#66673: Mar 2nd 2017 at 1:43:31 PM

[up][up]Just wanted to point those things out. I don't think this necessarily needs to be controversial— although I'm not going to tell people not to be upset if they are— but Karnak's an interesting character, Ken Leung's an underrated actor, and I'm pretty sure they didn't cast him just to fill the spot since he isn't actually a martial artist.

The guy played Miles 'The Ship sent us a new Sawyer' Straume. He can deliver some epic verbal takedowns, and that's become Karnak's brand as of the recent Warren Ellis book, right? So this has the potential to be completely awesome.

edited 2nd Mar '17 2:14:49 PM by Unsung

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66674: Mar 2nd 2017 at 1:46:10 PM

Well, Karnak doesn't look Asian in the comics and Ken Leung isn't a martial artist unless he's been taking lessons recently, so, um.. Yeah.
Karnak is a martial artist in the comics and they cast someone Asian to play him (even though, as you said, he doesn't look Asian in the comics). That's what I was referring to.

Again: Ken Leung's awesome. But I do hope they cast more non-white actors so that this doesn't become a controversy.

edited 2nd Mar '17 1:46:52 PM by alliterator

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#66675: Mar 2nd 2017 at 1:48:17 PM

Sure, sure. Not really a shot back, more just an addendum. Fingers crossed on that.


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