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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#66601: Feb 27th 2017 at 3:57:04 PM

Perhaps the masters of evil form trying to grab them (With Zemo playing a double game of actually wanting to destroy the stones and kill his villain team, but the avengers end up making his villain team too useful to him and he discards his morals.)

PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#66602: Feb 27th 2017 at 4:08:58 PM

Trying to shoehorn Zemo back into the story seems like a bad idea. The whole point of the character was that he was a pure force of will and precise focus with absolutely no special powers...outside of the ability to build magic EMP's and utterly unbelievable Bucky prosthetics. But the point was that he was just an ordinary man who wanted the Avengers destroyed for what they did to him, and went about in a meticulously planned scheme to drive a wedge between them. Giving him new powers kind of robs that point, and just relegating him to a generic schemer seems wrong. Hell, thats just putting him into Lokis function.

Besides, you'd need other surviving villains for him to team up with. You've got Loki, but he doesn't want to cooperate with others, and...nobody else officially recognised by the MCU. Its been a bloodbath.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#66603: Feb 27th 2017 at 4:41:41 PM

I would like to see Zemo in a Thunderbolds storyline...having him becoming the hero, even if he does it only as part of a larger plan, might give him a very different perspective.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#66604: Feb 27th 2017 at 4:50:48 PM

Justice, Like Lightning.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#66605: Feb 27th 2017 at 6:00:32 PM

There've been a few hints in Homecoming about other universes, and it'd be a great way to open the door to recasting and whatnot with an in-universe (ironically) explanation.

Source? Also, might this be a sign of the coming of the Mutan–

(Is shot at.)

(One bullet recovery later...)

RE: MCU!Symbiote in GOTG Vol. 2: Whoa, what?! Where'd you hear that?! surprised

edited 27th Feb '17 6:01:09 PM by TargetmasterJoe

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#66606: Feb 27th 2017 at 6:01:51 PM

I don't know, I feel like the MCU and marvel is really building up to a Masters of Evil plot. The villain team has been popping up everywhere recently and characters keep falling into place.

The roster still seems small though. You've got potentially Zemo, Abomination a suited Justin Hammer and Klau as the obvious ones. (Word is still out on whether The Enchantress is in Ragnarok, sounds like her character traits have been split between Hela and Valkyrie)

Honestly I don't think the team needs to be six people strong. The fascinating thing would be seeing a villain team in the MCU.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#66607: Feb 27th 2017 at 6:09:46 PM

[up][up] It's slight at best, it's more that I just really want it to be true: "Stark World Expo: Exceleration, Realities". Plus mentions (not from any reputable sources) about the Spider-verse, and Donald Glover being in the cast (Miles Morales from another universe would be awesome), and Doctor Strange opening the door on other dimensions as a thing. More hope than proof, I realize.

[up]Tinkerer and Shocker, maybe? Probably not Michael Keaton, unless he's up for that kind of thing.

edited 27th Feb '17 6:14:24 PM by Unsung

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#66608: Feb 27th 2017 at 6:16:11 PM

It's possible that Captain Marvel will introduce Moonstone, who is a classic Masters character too.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66609: Feb 27th 2017 at 6:32:24 PM

[up][up]Donald Glover is playing one of criminals working for/with the Vulture. It's rumored he's Hobie Brown.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#66610: Feb 27th 2017 at 6:33:48 PM

Yeah, I kinda figured, but part of me still doesn't want to accept that yet.

PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#66611: Feb 27th 2017 at 7:09:21 PM

[up]X6 Tom Holland was on the Got G set. Why would you need Spider-Man on set for a completely seperate movie if you're not establishing his one space-based enemy?

[up]X5 I think you're confusing set up with didn't even care enough to kill. Abomination aside (and Marvel have kind of unanimously agreed to never talk about the Hulk solo movie ever again given how they haven't even given an explanation about where Liv Tyler is, don't count on him coming back) these guys don't have anything. Hammer was shown to have everything he ever made be a pile of shit and he only ever got rich through corruption, stealing from geniuses, and given how much that movie liked sucking off Atlas Shrugged, I'm gonna guess minimum wage laws, somehow. Zemo has already done his thing and has lost his anonimity, which was essential to both the characters point and to his scheme. Klaue mouthed off to Ultron and got left armless (I apologize for nothing).

These guys aren't a list of fearsome villains who are still out there and could be making a comeback, they're just the guys who weren't enough of a threat for the audience to care they weren't killed. Heck, half of them were just moronic patsies the real villains used to achieve their goals.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#66612: Feb 27th 2017 at 7:14:05 PM

Marvel's complete lack of Hulk reference outside of Ross in C Ivil War isn't targeted specifically at the Hulk movie. It's because they can't (well, technically "won't") make further Hulk movies.

PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#66613: Feb 27th 2017 at 7:35:06 PM

Either way, the character isn't coming back to the movies.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66614: Feb 27th 2017 at 9:19:32 PM

Actually, James Gunn said that he would love to make a Thunderbolts film — so when Phase 4 comes around, they might switch things up by having Gunn do a Thunderbolts film and someone else do Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 (Gunn hasn't said whether or not he's going to do it yet). It would be an interesting way to keep a writer/director as part of the MCU, but still keep them interested.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#66615: Feb 28th 2017 at 3:43:18 AM

Also the original plans for both avenger films allegedly had the Abomination in them at one point or another if interviews are to be believed.

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#66616: Feb 28th 2017 at 7:15:28 AM

As I see no one has uploaded it.

VINCENT D'ONOFRIO want Kingpin Vs Spiderman

Taking into account that Spiderman is hundreds times stronger than the Kingpin, the role of kingpin could be a Non-Action Big Bad.

edited 28th Feb '17 7:21:14 AM by dantecito

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66617: Feb 28th 2017 at 8:01:04 AM

People on the TV side have talked about wanting to appear in the movies since the TV shows started airing. I don't think it's gonna happen.

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#66618: Feb 28th 2017 at 8:03:51 AM

It's true, but it's easier to lie ourselves.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#66619: Feb 28th 2017 at 9:33:18 AM

If there is a character which has a chance, it's the Kingpin. He is a movie-level actor and it is easier to adjust the Netflix shows to him appearing in a movie than it is to have one of the heroes in one.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#66620: Feb 28th 2017 at 11:14:01 AM

Also, because of his overall role, Kingpin is one of the easiest characters in the MCU to stick into another characters' narrative. Especially someone like Spider-Man who is the bridge between street-level and higher level superheroics.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
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#66622: Feb 28th 2017 at 11:24:23 AM

That's a shame. I really wanted Vin Diesel to be Black Bolt. Since only his voice is playing Groot, it seemed appropriate for everything but his voice to play Black Bolt.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66623: Feb 28th 2017 at 11:26:14 AM

There was virtually no chance of them getting Vin Diesel on a TV budget. I know that was a popular fan choice but it basically died when Inhumans was downgraded from a movie to a network TV show.

edited 28th Feb '17 11:27:03 AM by comicwriter

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#66624: Feb 28th 2017 at 11:35:59 AM

No way was Vin going to show up on a TV show.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#66625: Feb 28th 2017 at 11:40:41 AM

I imagine of ever a TV show is cancelled, the characters will then be free to turn up in the movies, as you then won't ha e to worry about conflicting production timelines making plotting difficult.


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