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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#66576: Feb 26th 2017 at 7:46:01 PM

I thought that Deadpool was flat terrified of Squirrel Girl cause she threatened to let Monkey Joe have a go at his nuts.

Even better.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66577: Feb 26th 2017 at 8:43:44 PM

Why do you think its Infinity War part 1 and 2?
It's no longer called that, though. The first film is just Infinity War and the second film doesn't have a name, going by Untitled Avengers Film so far.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#66578: Feb 26th 2017 at 8:46:37 PM

I am pretty much convinced that the title chance is mostly a marketing thing, though. It will still be an ongoing story.

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#66579: Feb 26th 2017 at 8:53:04 PM

I got the impression the name change was because it wasn't going to be an ongoing story like Deathly Hallows was.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#66580: Feb 26th 2017 at 8:54:13 PM

It might not be a direct 'one movie in two parts' kind of thing, but the whole MCU is one ongoing story in that sense.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66581: Feb 26th 2017 at 9:00:37 PM

I get the feeling that the first movie is going to be somewhat self contained (like, they will defeat Thanos), but then there will be a sequel hook and that's what the second film will be about. Not the same thing, but something similar.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#66582: Feb 26th 2017 at 9:19:34 PM

Weren't they saying that the first movie would have Thanos as main character and/or protagonist? If that's the case, it could end with him defeating them and either getting the power he seeks or getting extremely close to victory.

Especially if the Avengers defeated by him in Infinity War are the ones who don't have movies coming, while the others who will appear between 1 and 2 retreat to protect Earth (IE, continue their movie series). Infinity War ends with Thanos defeating the original Avengers and scattering them to the winds, their fates uncertain. The other heroes continue on, unsure of their fates - though Captain Marvel is probably going to have cosmic stuff in it, so they won't be totally in the dark. Movie 2 has the originals return, bring everyone together, and strike back.

edited 26th Feb '17 9:20:14 PM by KnownUnknown

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#66583: Feb 26th 2017 at 9:27:57 PM

I think someone mentioned it in passing but what if "Part 2" is an approximation of Secret Wars. If Thanos has the Infinity Gauntlet he could easily fill the role of The Beyonder. It would have some synergy too, Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Secret Wars.

MapleSamurai Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#66584: Feb 26th 2017 at 9:45:10 PM

Makes sense to me. And I've already been suspecting that the Infinity War would introduce the Venom symbiote in lieu of its comic origin without having it brought to Earth with a meteor or stow away on a returning space shuttle like in prior adaptations.

edited 26th Feb '17 9:45:32 PM by MapleSamurai

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66585: Feb 27th 2017 at 4:15:07 AM

IW ends with the original Avengers seemingly defeated, and a new group of Avengers having to form to stop them.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66586: Feb 27th 2017 at 9:26:09 AM

I am pretty much convinced that the title chance is mostly a marketing thing, though. It will still be an ongoing story.

They were never shy about it being an ongoing story. I think they went so far as to say Winter Soldier, Civil War and Avengers 3 & 4 could almost be seen as a quadrilogy. They're just trying to ensure both films stand on their own as separate films, as opposed to say, the Hobbit trilogy or the Divergent finale, where it was effectively one movie that was spread across multiple installments because money.

edited 27th Feb '17 9:30:56 AM by comicwriter

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#66587: Feb 27th 2017 at 10:30:06 AM

I like that the movie makes time for the Guardians to go camping. Seems like there's a lot to see and do in this movie, little character beats like these.

That thing about Secret Wars sound pretty great. There've been a few hints in Homecoming about other universes, and it'd be a great way to open the door to recasting and whatnot with an in-universe (ironically) explanation.

edited 27th Feb '17 10:39:18 AM by Unsung

PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#66588: Feb 27th 2017 at 12:39:38 PM

They already hinted that the Venom symbiote is being introduced in the postcredits for Got G 2. That's why Spider-Man has been involved with their filming.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#66589: Feb 27th 2017 at 1:00:07 PM

Meh, I think it's becoming clearer to me that James Gunn's style of humor really just isn't for me.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#66590: Feb 27th 2017 at 1:02:15 PM

If I don't come off as intruding, what about his humor doesn't work for you?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#66591: Feb 27th 2017 at 1:15:52 PM

I dunno how to explain it. Something about the delivery of the jokes and how it's kinda lowbrow. Leans a bit heavily into lolsorandumb and using crassness as the punchline which is weird because I don't generally have problems with vulgarity in general, and I'm fine with the humor in most of the other films aside from AOU and parts of the first Avengers. At least GOTG is good about the more serious moments which is what keeps me from disliking the first film entirely.

edited 27th Feb '17 1:22:03 PM by AlleyOop

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#66593: Feb 27th 2017 at 2:08:08 PM

Maybe Infinity Wars will be the battle against Thanos, and the next film will be the aftermath: specifically, all these Infinity Stones laying around, everybody now knows they're incredibly powerful, and a mad scramble to get them. If that means stabbing an ally in the back -or shooting him in the face- that's a small price to pay.

Indeed, the focus might be on each individual and why they want the stones, or maybe just one of them. I'm sure we could all name at least one person that would want the Time stone in order to go back and stop something from happening.Or the Soul stone to bring someone back from the dead (or so they think; I suspect it wouldn't be nearly that straightforward and probably wouldn't work).

PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#66594: Feb 27th 2017 at 2:33:11 PM

They already know how powerful each of them are. Everyone was fine with Strange claiming the time stone and Vision keeping the mind stone. They gave thor the Tesseract quite happily. Ronan demonstrated the power stone quite easily and the Guardians handed it to the Nova Corps.

No-one is presently sitting around using an infinity gems as a paperweight.

[up]And no we couldn't considering that the MCU has basically completely written Uncle Ben out of the story and Spidey is looking to Tony Stark for moral guidance. Which is kinda like looking to Donald Trump for guidance in...well, anything really.

edited 27th Feb '17 2:36:36 PM by PincerMove

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#66595: Feb 27th 2017 at 2:38:26 PM

...Who mentioned Uncle Ben?

Oh God! Natural light!
PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#66596: Feb 27th 2017 at 2:41:18 PM

Who else would he be referring to with someone who would want to bring someone back to life? Someone whose whole character is supposed to run on a guilt complex?

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#66597: Feb 27th 2017 at 2:42:47 PM

The impression I get is that the Infinity Stones have power far beyond what the heroes are able to unlock or wield, and they're more likely to destroy themselves and each other than attain godlike powers. The Aether and the Orb (Reality and Power, respectively) nearly kill their hosts, or close to it

I can get not liking the humour in Guardians, but it works for me. It suits the somewhat stunted personal growth of the characters, which is what you'd expect given they're all basically criminals before deciding they want to save the galaxy..

[up]I think it was just a general comment. These characters have all lost someone, most of them at least one parent. Wanda lost her twin brother, and that within fairly recent memory.

edited 27th Feb '17 2:47:24 PM by Unsung

PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#66598: Feb 27th 2017 at 2:45:58 PM

Power orb can obliterate a planet. Time stone can cause an infinite groundhog day loop and freeze the universe. Reality stone can basically purge all light from the multimeter. You think the characters don't know what they can do?

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#66599: Feb 27th 2017 at 2:48:22 PM

...I was agreeing with you.

PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#66600: Feb 27th 2017 at 2:50:31 PM

Oh, I thought you meant destroy themselves trying to fight for them.


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