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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#66376: Feb 15th 2017 at 12:14:42 PM

That novel was probably written without knowledge of Black Panther's confirmed existence.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66377: Feb 15th 2017 at 12:27:43 PM

[up][up]The novelizations are usually non-canon. Aside from just deviating from the movies, they often specify things that aren't true. For one, Tony couldn't possibly have invented something that the U.S. government was aware of and working with as far back as World War 2, and if you notice, even in movies where vibranium is explicitly mentioned, that supposed tidbit from the novel is never mentioned.

And if you're going off the books then the nerdy white guy Banner gives a pizza to in The Incredible Hulk was Amadeus Cho.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#66378: Feb 15th 2017 at 12:29:38 PM

And if you're going off the books then the nerdy white guy Banner gives a pizza to in The Incredible Hulk was Amadeus Cho.

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edited 15th Feb '17 12:29:51 PM by Bocaj

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66379: Feb 15th 2017 at 12:37:25 PM

Yup. Novelizations are often written based off the script before the actual movie is released, so that was likely some miscommunication gone horribly wrong.

That novel was probably written without knowledge of Black Panther's confirmed existence.

Yup. Probably just a lack of foresight on the author's part.

edited 15th Feb '17 12:38:26 PM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#66380: Feb 15th 2017 at 1:43:16 PM

The Ironman movies were very specific that the arc reactor technology was based on the Tesseract - which was the big McGuffin of Phase 1.

M773982 Since: Aug, 2016
#66381: Feb 15th 2017 at 3:17:58 PM

Spider-Man was also created without any infinity gems interference.

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#66382: Feb 15th 2017 at 3:22:10 PM

It's less that the infinity stones are driving the plot so much as the potential threat behind the infinity stones has been present since The Avengers. It's the Myth Arc, the endgame, and without it the overall MCU story will need something else to feel like an endgame.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#66383: Feb 15th 2017 at 3:34:25 PM

I propose either Masters of Evil or Squadron Supreme.

Although harder to get a several phase story out of the Squadron probably.

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M773982 Since: Aug, 2016
#66384: Feb 15th 2017 at 4:24:47 PM

That'll basically be the next big test to see if the MCU can last.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66385: Feb 15th 2017 at 5:28:55 PM

[up][up]Or Kang if they can trade something for him.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#66386: Feb 15th 2017 at 5:57:18 PM

They don't need to trade anything for Kang.

He was not part of the rights signed away.

Also, they have the Skrulls. So I guess Secret Invasion is on the table too. Except stretched out over movies and movies.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66387: Feb 15th 2017 at 7:58:19 PM

Word of God from James Gunn was that Kang can't be used.

edited 15th Feb '17 7:58:36 PM by comicwriter

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#66388: Feb 15th 2017 at 8:00:22 PM

Now that's just weird.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66389: Feb 15th 2017 at 8:03:13 PM

The closest people have come to an explanation is that he technically first appeared (under a different name) in Fantastic Four before he became an Avengers villain.

edited 15th Feb '17 8:03:42 PM by comicwriter

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#66390: Feb 15th 2017 at 8:06:47 PM

Isn't Kang the Richards' distant descendant from the future?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#66391: Feb 15th 2017 at 11:28:01 PM

I'd like it if the next big threat was a Dr. Strange villain. I've been pulling for someone like Shuma.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#66392: Feb 16th 2017 at 7:02:54 AM

Take it with a MASSIVE grain of salt, but...R we Gonna Haz Namor?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66394: Feb 16th 2017 at 8:27:15 AM

After the events of Secret Wars, Namor was no longer considered a mutant. Joe Quesada was then working on a series called Namor: The First Inhuman.
Uh, what? Neither of those things are true. First of all, Namor isn't considered an Inhuman, he is still a mutant. Second of all, Namor: The First Inhuman was a supposed Secret Wars mini-series (thus not tied to continuity) that was only reported by one site and never actually came about.

I mean, apparently Namor's film rights are back at Marvel, but I doubt they would make him an Inhuman since there is a very easy way to get out of calling him a mutant: call him an Atlantean.

BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
Time Stranger
#66395: Feb 16th 2017 at 8:58:52 AM

Funny enough BP first appears in FF but doesn't fall under the same situation as Kang.

35 year old white man.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66396: Feb 16th 2017 at 9:13:10 AM

There are a few different characters who fit that. Ronan and the Inhumans also originated in the FF, as did the entire Kree race.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#66397: Feb 16th 2017 at 9:15:48 AM

I'm guessing it's the Rama-Tut and "descendant of Reed and Sue" stuff, rather than merely appearing first in Fantastic Four, that keeps his rights with Fox.

Otherwise Fox wouldn't be able to use Wolverine or Sabretooth, for instance.

edited 16th Feb '17 9:16:03 AM by KnownUnknown

CharlesIX Since: Feb, 2017
#66398: Feb 16th 2017 at 9:41:18 AM

Quicksilver and scarlet witch say hi.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#66399: Feb 16th 2017 at 9:07:28 PM

Raja Ilya to join a Marvel movie?[1]

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#66400: Feb 16th 2017 at 10:46:40 PM

A film huh? Probably either Black Panther or Infinity War. If it's the latter she could just be a minor background alien or combatant.


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