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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

M773982 Since: Aug, 2016
#66326: Feb 14th 2017 at 2:02:04 PM

As for a Black Widow movie, she has that holographic face changing camouflage. She can just be like Ethan Hunt.

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Gold coloured eyes (I. E. The same colour as the last gem), make him able to judge the goodness of people, makes him more powerful than Odin, he keeps referring to the beings he can see as "souls " can see all souls at all times, he loses his eyes just as Thanos goes on a stone collecting tear, and his going blind in Thurs vision led to the Infinity Stone discovery.. It'd be shitty to set all that up, then just make the last stone something we introduced at the last minute, that isn't really important.

edited 14th Feb '17 2:10:24 PM by M773982

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#66327: Feb 14th 2017 at 2:35:02 PM

If they did a Black Widow movie, is there any reason they couldn't make it a prequel? Maybe set it up so the climax of the film is the chain of events that led to her joining SHIELD? Although I personally would find it interesting if they started with that, and the rest was basically all the MCU films she was in, but from her perspective. Maybe that could be Black Widow 2. I realize how impractical that would be, but I don't care.

And speaking of prequels, I really want a Hawkeye movie. We still know next to nothing about the guy. Was MCU Barton ever in the circus? Does he have a brother? Did he ever work as a mercenary under the name Ronin? How exactly did he end up with SHIELD?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#66328: Feb 14th 2017 at 2:36:50 PM

If the eye thing holds up, then its really good foreshadowing.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66329: Feb 14th 2017 at 2:50:41 PM

I very much doubt the Soul Stone is Heimdall's eyes. For one thing, he has two of them. Plural. There is only one Soul Stone.

Second, Heimdall can see all. That's pretty much his power. He can't see into people's souls, he can just see everything, much like he can in the comics. It's a godlike power because, well, he is a god. (And he's not more powerful than Odin, Odin is waaay more powerful — for one thing, Odin has his ravens who can also go everywhere.)

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#66330: Feb 14th 2017 at 2:52:59 PM

Wow I think you've sold me on the soul stone theory in a matter of seconds

Previously I was certain either Hera or Thanos had the Sole Gem, or Peter Quill was some how related to it (hence why his relationship with his mother and team was sufficient to overpower the power gem)

M773982 Since: Aug, 2016
#66331: Feb 14th 2017 at 2:58:59 PM

[up][up]and the Reality stone was a mist. The Space stone was a cube. Even if you think it can't be his eyes, just say it's attached to his forehead, or part of his armor, or something, but the point is that he is using the gem to see all beings, and when it's taken, he loses his sight.

And he does refer to brings he sees as souls. That's not his comic power, that implies something else.

And power is never that simple in the MCU. Vision is powered by the Mind gem, not a solar stone.

[up]Peter Quill doesn't fit the Thanos theory in any way, unless you claim it's actually his Hair.

So we have Tesseract, Heimdall, Aether, Necklace, Orb and Scepter.

edited 14th Feb '17 3:03:11 PM by M773982

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#66332: Feb 14th 2017 at 3:02:56 PM

"Necklace" feels like it's cheating...

Anyway, I don't know. It's not a bad theory, certainly...but can't the stuff Heimdall does just be his innate power, without bringing the Infinity Stones into it. I feel like I'd prefer it that way, at least.

Also, that would mean that Asgard would have two Infinity Stones, which seems at odds with their reason for giving the Aether to the Collector.

edited 14th Feb '17 3:03:45 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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M773982 Since: Aug, 2016
#66333: Feb 14th 2017 at 3:05:56 PM

It could be, but what would be the point? Like, we have already established Heimdall will be blinded. We know the Soul Gem is the one that's still out there. We know Heimdall can see Souls. Why ignore that just to then make the final piece something unimportant that the audience doesn't care about?

And earth had three infinity gems - Tesseract, Aether and Necklace of Agamato. Then it lost one, and got a new one.

Yeah, Necklace is a slight stretch, but on the other hand, every other piece fit the theory that was thought up after just two were established, and the eye being a stone is not in doubt.

edited 14th Feb '17 3:12:36 PM by M773982

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#66334: Feb 14th 2017 at 3:12:53 PM

I very much doubt the Soul Stone is Heimdall's eyes. For one thing, he has two of them. Plural. There is only one Soul Stone.

Heimdall is like Sonic the Hedgehog and has one giant eye with two pupils.

M773982 Since: Aug, 2016
#66335: Feb 14th 2017 at 3:16:07 PM

Also, the first Thor confirmed that in the MCU, Heimdall is more powerful than Odin. There is a scene between Loki and Heimdall where Loki asks if Odin ever feared Heimdalls power, and Heimdall said no, because he was loyal.

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#66336: Feb 14th 2017 at 3:16:58 PM

Because we don't need to make it something we've seen before for us to care about it? Nor is the identity of the object something we really need to be invested in, as opposed to, say, what it can do.

I was under the impression that the Aether was being kept in a pocket dimension, not on Earth itself. And at the present, there are two Infinity Stones on Earth, and I don't believe there's anyone who knows about both of them. Point is, I don't think anyone has intentionally hid two Infinity Stones in the general vicinity.

Also, actually calling it the "Necklace of Agamotto" seems...bizarre, I guess? Mostly because no one has ever referred to it as anything other than the "Eye of Agamotto".

I never understood why the "THANOS" thing was such a big deal - it's an irrelevant acronym that doesn't really hint at anything, considering that we already know that the objects are Infinity Stones.

edited 14th Feb '17 3:18:20 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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M773982 Since: Aug, 2016
#66337: Feb 14th 2017 at 3:23:49 PM

I would not put it past MCU writers to have Thor spell it out as some prophecised end of the world thing, including referring to it as a necklace, then have Strange get really defensive about it and have both Tony and Peter burst out laughing.

Even if you think the Aether being found by an earthlings was Coincidence, that still leaves the eye and the Tesseract. And the Asgardians are aware of the Sorcerer Supreme and the Ancient one according to the post credits of Doctor Strange.

edited 14th Feb '17 3:25:59 PM by M773982

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66338: Feb 14th 2017 at 3:24:03 PM

I'd laugh if after several years of being a huge theory, the T.H.A.N.O.S. thing just turned out to be a complete coincidence.

On the theory the Hela will end up being a Composite Character with Death, it was pointed out that in the comics, they seem to be setting up a situation in the Thor books that'll set up Thanos and Hela as a Big Bad Duumvirate.

Given Marvel's obsessive habit with trying to align the movies and comics, I'd say this might be a hint about the theory being true.

M773982 Since: Aug, 2016
#66339: Feb 14th 2017 at 3:43:42 PM

So wait, is Hela going to be filing Death's role or Memphistos?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#66340: Feb 14th 2017 at 3:49:59 PM

It could be, but what would be the point? Like, we have already established Heimdall will be blinded.
No, we haven't. That was just Thor's nightmare, not an actual vision of the future. In the nightmare, Heimdall also said that everyone was dead, but I doubt every Asgardian will die in Infinity War.

We know Heimdall can see Souls.
Again: when did this happen? I don't remember him saying at any point that he could see someone's soul.

And earth had three infinity gems - Tesseract, Aether and Necklace of Agamato. Then it lost one, and got a new one.
The Aether wasn't on Earth, it was in-between dimensions. Jane just found it because she also slipped between dimensions. And Odin placed the Tesseract on Earth not knowing that the Time Stone was also there. If he had, he might not have done it — like when he made sure that the Aether was not in Asgard near the Tesseract. He would not keep two Infinity Stones near each other, which pretty much confirms that Heimdall isn't wielding an Infinity Stone.

Also, the first Thor confirmed that in the MCU, Heimdall is more powerful than Odin. There is a scene between Loki and Heimdall where Loki asks if Odin ever feared Heimdalls power, and Heimdall said no, because he was loyal.
That in no way means Heimdall is more powerful than Odin.

edited 14th Feb '17 3:50:09 PM by alliterator

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#66341: Feb 14th 2017 at 3:58:50 PM

I'm ambivalent on the theory but referring to people as souls is a common language thinger. Its not necessarily literal.

Hence the incorrect thought that SOS stands for Save Our Souls. Or a 'ship went down with all souls aboard'

Stuff like that.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#66342: Feb 14th 2017 at 4:22:31 PM

[up][up][up] I think Loki will be the Mephisto analogue, personally.

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M773982 Since: Aug, 2016
#66343: Feb 14th 2017 at 4:40:23 PM

Loki is going to die. Likely doing something heroic. He failed Thanos, betrayed him, and lost his only Infinity Stone. There's a better chance of Red Skull being Thanos's lackey than Loki.

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#66344: Feb 14th 2017 at 4:43:22 PM

No, see, I was thinking that Loki starts off having been reduced to Thanos' slave (perhaps in the aftermath of Ragnarok), only betray him at the end and die for it.

And then he shows up again as Young Loki, because that is right and just.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#66345: Feb 14th 2017 at 4:46:04 PM

I'd still like an explanation for how Peter Quill was able to communicate with his deadmother when touching the Power Stone.

I'd be happy to hear "it was originally intended to be the Soul Stone before being swapped out for the power stone."

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#66346: Feb 14th 2017 at 4:47:53 PM

I thought it was just a hallucination brought on by the sheer strain of it.

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M773982 Since: Aug, 2016
#66347: Feb 14th 2017 at 4:54:44 PM

Yeah, she didn't do anything but repeat the last thing she said to him, while being imposed over Gamora saying the same thing. It was a hallucination.

[up][up][up] He's already been Thanos's slave. Why redo that story? Why would Thanos trust him enough to not try and betray him again, and not just kill him for being annoying, and losing the mind gem?

His line in Age of Ultron was "I'll do it myself". He is done trying to use agents, slaves or pawns, after all of them failed him, he now intends to get off his throne and take what he wants by force. Why go through this then go right back to using slaves?

edited 14th Feb '17 5:05:10 PM by M773982

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#66348: Feb 14th 2017 at 4:57:55 PM

That was also the assumption that I took from it

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#66349: Feb 14th 2017 at 5:04:26 PM

Loki could do something in Ragnarok that helps him curry favor with Thanos or at least enough to get back in his good graces.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#66350: Feb 14th 2017 at 5:07:59 PM

Yeah, the way I see it, either Loki gets in Thanos' good graces somehow (by delivering the Soul Stone to him, maybe?), or Thanos decides to break him. Because he's thinks it's more fun than just killing him.

Thanos is a dick.

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