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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
At first I went "buh?" But the actual wording of that restriction makes sense.
Basically, Marvel had complete rights to use Jessica Drew: the character. But they couldn't use any of the superficial elements that were reminiscent of Spider-Man. So, the moniker, the costume, what few powers she has that are (explicitly) spider-based, etc.
No Ultimate Jessica Drew, obviously, but why would they have anyway?
This is only a problem in the first place because Jessica was created to snatch up the tangential Spider-Name before someone else did. To this end she has a distaff counterpart name and a costume that looks somewhat similar to Spidey's, but otherwise as a character the two have very little in common, so on the whole this shouldn't have been a problem for Marvel using her unless they really wanted her to suit up.
Presumably Sony could use the costume but not have the character in it be Jessica Drew at all.
edited 30th Jan '17 8:24:14 PM by KnownUnknown
To be fair, Marvel has gotten better and better when it comes to writing romances in their movies, and on the TV side, they actually did pretty good so far. Ao S had already a number of romantic subplot, but they are rarely the focus and feel more like they add something to a story instead of being the main story. It helps that I like Fitzsimmons and Huntingbird as pairings. And the Netflix show has a very practical approach to romance - overall. The Elektra vs Karen plot in Daredevil Season 2 was god-awful, but Jessica Jones and Luke Cage portray less romances and more relationship, which is way more interesting.
Cloak and Dagger will be a challenge, but I will give them at the very least a chance. And if I can't stand it, well, I don't need to like everything in the MCU.
Yeah, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage did actually do a pretty good job with romance pairings. I actually liked Luke/Claire, and I really wasn't expecting to. Luke/Jess was done well, too, and so was Mariah/Shades. (And in Daredevil's first season, Claire/Matt was done well, too.) I guess I'll give Cloak and Dagger the benefit of the doubt.
When we're done, there won't be anything left.MCU-related:
Bob Chipman presents: 7 Muslim Superheroes who belong in the MCU
Interesting Fact: Bob meant to do this in the beginning of May for the Muslim holiday Ramadan, but some certain things
involving certain people have convinced him to do it now...
Re: romance. I definitely agree about Luke and Jessica—that's without a doubt my favorite romance from the MCU (and possibly the only one I would actually deem to be legitimately well-written).
As for the video, I might actually cross-post that into the Diversity thread, because I feel like there' a lot to unpack there, and I don't want to jam up this thread. But I safely say that "holy shit, why didn't I know about Excalibur until now."
Also, I looked though the first comments and I didn't see anybody being incredibly Islamophobic yet, so I'll chalk that one up to a win.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."![]()
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I actually did know about Excalibur. Haven't read any of her comics, but she seems super cool. And I know about Kamala. Shocking, I know. But I didn't know about any of the other heroes listed in the video.
edited 31st Jan '17 9:33:24 AM by DeathsApprentice
When we're done, there won't be anything left.*shrugs* I got the sense they were into each other pretty much when they first met, and especially once they went on that little field trip to Georgia. Note that I say attracted to each other, not 'in love'. They're compatible personality-wise, they're both good-looking people, they have good chemistry with each other. Relationships have been built on a lot less.
edited 31st Jan '17 10:15:26 AM by Unsung
Luke/Claire worked out because it was fairly low-key. Two people who got along well, became emotionally closer over the course of their experiences, and also happened to be attractive people, thinking why the heck not. Made more sense to me than whatever sexual tension Luke/Misty supposedly had, but it was never intended to go further than a one-night stand anyway so it didn't bother me that much. Luke/Jessica is the more interesting relationship from a long-term storytelling perspective and they handled what there was of it pretty well, but I'm going to enjoy Luke/Claire while it's there.
A relationship is almost like a character of its own, in the sense that it having baggage, contradictions, and problems makes it more human and easier to get invested in (provided it isn't melodramatic). It's not really necessary for it to be a healthy relationship for it to be genuine or well-written, and in fact a more unhealthy or destructive one can be way more fascinating and entertaining to read about (provided, you know, it isn't an unhealthy relationship that we're supposed to think is healthy, as often tends to be the case).
That's why Luke/Jess and Luke/Reva were good. With Reva, Luke's entire conception of that relationship got shattered when he found out she was complicit with the experiments and was sizing him up for them, and now he doesn't know how sincere their relationship actually was. By adding complexity to Reva, the relationship by extension became more interesting, as opposed to how it was portrayed in JJ where Reva was this perfect madonna Luke was grieving over.
Luke and Jessica isn't a saccharine, idealized relationship. They had an encounter and their relationship progressed naturally from their mutual attraction. Jessica not telling him about Reva is well, Jessica. Obviously she was afraid to lose him and was carrying a lot of guilt. It was wrong and fucked up, but that's the character.
Luke/Claire was fine because it wasn't a super big deal. I don't really feel it came out of nowhere so much as it built up very, very gradually.
edited 31st Jan '17 11:02:03 AM by Draghinazzo

So this was discussed on the SHH forums but a while back I remember there was discussion here about Jessica Drew. According to the documents from the Sony leak, it looks like she was indeed another shared rights case
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I wonder if the deal to get Spider-Man into the MCU has made it any easier to get in Jess as well.