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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#66051: Jan 30th 2017 at 12:29:36 PM

Aw, I hoped Micah would make the cut.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#66052: Jan 30th 2017 at 12:33:06 PM

I'm incredibly worried about this series. It sounds like the kind of crappy sci-fi romance stuff Freeform loves airing.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#66053: Jan 30th 2017 at 12:48:04 PM

Cloak and Dagger has always had a romance aspect.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#66055: Jan 30th 2017 at 1:37:16 PM

I know that, I'm just kinda worried that the quality of the romance on this show isn't gonna be good.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#66056: Jan 30th 2017 at 1:42:43 PM

I have the feeling that they want to tab into the CW crowd with this one...but that is kind of okay if they do it good. I mean, I have actively looked for shows which have next to no romance recently, but I actually don't mind if it is well-written. which it usually isn't. But I guess with Cloak and Dagger we can at least be sure that there won't be an abundance of love triangles....who knows, they might even explore the less romantic aspect of a co-dependent relationship...

edited 30th Jan '17 1:43:32 PM by Swanpride

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#66057: Jan 30th 2017 at 1:42:57 PM

Unfortunately, any time I find myself wondering "will this romance be well-written," the answer is almost invariably "hell no." So I share that concern.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#66058: Jan 30th 2017 at 1:43:11 PM

Yeah romance is always very tricky and very easy to bungle, especially when a series features it as prominently as this one. A lot of times otherwise great stuff tends to be brought down by issues with how the romance is handled, and the premise of this show makes it rife for melodrama possibly to the point of Wangst.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#66059: Jan 30th 2017 at 1:45:04 PM

This is still a superhero show first and foremost, right? Even if romance is one of the main aspects of Cloak and Dagger, it won't be just the only aspect of it.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#66060: Jan 30th 2017 at 1:48:54 PM

I'm usually not the biggest fan of romance in general, but I can handle a well-written one. Here's hoping Cloak and Dagger's central romance is well-written.

Then again, the MCU does not have the best track record for romance, so IDK.

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#66061: Jan 30th 2017 at 1:58:34 PM

It won't be the sole aspect of the show, but a terribly-written romance can drag down an otherwise perfectly good story like that in my experience.

Still, this show will bring the sum total of MCU productions about superheroes of color up to a whopping three, so there's that.

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#66062: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:00:39 PM

That's true. Sadly. (The other two are Luke Cage and... are we counting Agents of SHIELD?)

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#66063: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:01:05 PM

Are the other two Black Panther and Luke Cage?

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#66064: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:07:04 PM

Luke Cage and Agents of SHIELD. I don't count Black Panther because it hasn't been released yet.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#66065: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:11:26 PM

Agent Carter had a lead character who was a man of color in Season 2.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#66066: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:12:03 PM

It's especially crucial from a storytelling perspective that they get the romance right. Whereas with Thor which also put a lot of focus on the romance, you at least had other things like the Asgardian worldbuilding and high-flying CG action, while this is a TV show, with a lower budget, meaning they can't afford spectacle nearly as much, so they have to nail the romance because what's left probably can't hold the show up if it fails.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#66067: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:13:21 PM

[up][up] I was talking about shows where the character of color is the primary protagonist. The list expands slightly if we include shows that just include a lead character of color.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#66068: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:17:43 PM

Damn it, now I wish we'd gotten Season 3 of Agent of Carter.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#66069: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:31:05 PM

Another thing to note about Cloak & Dagger? The pilot (as well as possible future episodes as well) will be directed by Gina Prince-Blythewood, who's a black woman. She's directed movies like Beyond the Lights, so I'm relatively optimistic.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#66070: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:32:20 PM

Romance is one of the hardest things to write properly. It requires a lot of things to go right (good dialogue, believable chemistry, both characters being compelling independently of one another, and just generally being good enough to be the main focus or lowkey enough not to become a Romantic Plot Tumor that detracts from the more interesting things).

I felt like Luke Cage was actually pretty decent at this - Luke's relationship with Reva made sense and wasn't especially melodramatic, and not only that but the show actually introduced an ambiguity and potential insincerity to their relationship (compared to Jessica Jones where Reva was shown in an unambiguously positive light) that made it a lot more interesting. His relationship with Claire develops organically and doesn't take over the plot. Same thing with Mariah and Shade

I'm not terribly familiar with Cloak and Dagger as a property, but reading the article on wikipedia I have to agree with Alley Oop that it would be really easy to botch and rife with melodrama. They're gonna need a lot of restraint.

edited 30th Jan '17 2:38:02 PM by Draghinazzo

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#66071: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:33:27 PM

What's Beyond the Lights?

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#66072: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:36:02 PM

A romantic drama starring Gugu Mbatha-Raw. Going by it's critical reviews, it's really good.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#66073: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:38:07 PM

Huh, well that's a good sign.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#66074: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:39:13 PM

82% on Rotten Tomatoes, seems good.

Kinda surprised we haven't been talking as much about Cloak and Dagger until now, honestly.

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#66075: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:43:22 PM

I've been preoccupied with other events,note  but I get the sense that we haven't really been hearing much news about it. That's probably why—just not a whole lot to discuss.

I imagine things will start to take off once we get a trailer.

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